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When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he's already told Bibi to "finish it". So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .
If our only standard is not a Republican, then everytime Republicans lower their standards, they lower the only other option's standards too.
It's not fucking sustainable.
Voting the lesser evil still leads to evil in the long run.
You got a practical alternative you'd like to share with the class?
Vote in your local elections, and support (or directly work to pass) election reform laws, particularly related to ditching the electoral college.
Not necessarily saying it's the alternative, but it's a start and local elections have larger personal impact most of the time.
I agree with all of this, but it's not an alternative, it's just an additional vector of action. My question is about alternatives to Biden for president in this election.
But all the people whining about gEnOciDe jOe are only upset because its and election year. They disappear after November and don’t show up again until 4 years later.
When the choice is between the lesser evil, and losing our democracy, having our LGBTQ+ friends and family lose their rights to exist and feel good in their own skin, our sisters, mothers, and daughters losing their body autonomy…
I’ll take the lesser evil- ANY FUCKING DAY YOU ASK.
You know I hear people say this and and yet the Democratic Party is further to the left than it was under Bill Clinton. So how does it follow? I mean I hear people say stuff like we keep moving further to the right and the Republicans certainly are, but I see a Democratic party that's for gay rights and that didn't use to exist. I see a Democratic Party that's that's talking about higher taxes on the wealthy and trade regulations and consumer protection Acts. None of that was true in the '90s. In the 90s the Democrats said the era of big government is over. Now Democrats are supporting good government policies. We can certainly support better government policies, and I personally would like to see them go much further , but I can't see a scenario in which the Democratic party isn't further left than they were.
This does not logically follow.
Not in terms of pure logic but definitely in practical terms. You don't get far in humanities if you only follow pure logic.
Remember how blaming individuals solved climate change, too?
I'm starting to suspect that Taylor Swift doesn't even care what we think!
Could never of had a Bernie because Hillary bought the DNC.
In exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised… This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.
Emphasis mine. It was a captured field, with a performative primary - Hillary/‘s campaign abused their position against a broke DNC and elevated herself above all others.
Emphasis mine. It was a captured field, with a performative primary - Hillary/‘s campaign abused their position against a broke DNC and elevated herself above all others.
Supreme court also ruled that this was fine and very cool, very legal.
Too young to remember how bloodthirsty Hilary was as secretary of state. Member when "we came, we saw, he died tehe"?
A lot of retrospective handwringing forgets this, or the vile comments that came out during Bill’s multiple sexual assault allegations.
Hillary was not the right candidate to fight Trump, Jeb Bush more likely. After Obama, returning to an establishment candidate was a mistake, and I don’t care if “it’s her turn” after stepping aside in 2008. Politics has real consequences for people who don’t vacation in the Hamptons.
Yeah but she paved the way for ISIS with such girl power
Ummm.... Trump will turn UP the genocide.
Way more pro Israel rhetoric that any Biden comment but he then doubles down with lots of anti Palestine comments.
Trump will do the same amount of Genocide. He's just more honest about it.
Comments like this are why no one takes you seriously.
They do. It's just 6 months later after they're done with the mental Gymnastics and have to admit I was right all along
Israel is a Nazi state turned out not be such a hot take after all.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Even a liberal is right 6 months too late.
Yeah, after all you've successfully predicted 20 of the last 3 social problems.
6 months later
You are optimistic. Some people won't ever notice the lebensraum.
It didn't all happen in 2016. Fascists have been quietly diminishing the power of the electorate for decades now. We'll keep on having "the most important election of our lifetimes" until we manage to undo the damage. IF we manage to undo the damage.
Your dichotomy of saying we have to pick between the Turd or a Douche is disingenuous.
As someone who voted 3rd party in 2016 and regrets it. While you are technically correct, the last 8 years have shown that there is so much more on the line than what I was protesting against with my 3rd party vote. I didn't like Hillary Clinton's positions on war. And sure, my vote probably wouldn't have mattered all that much as I live in a very red state, but every time the Supreme Court does some bullshit, I feel a bit of regret that I didn't use my vote to support the best candidate who actually had a chance.
If he had more votes in the primary, then that could have been true despite the superdelegates. As it would be true for any other candidate.
But he/they didn't, and here we are moping over something that didn't happen years ago while the USSC lays the final stones in the foundation for an actual dictatorship.
Bold strategy. Let's see how that works out.
What we learned without any doubt was that the Democrat Party does NOT represent the people; only their own power and clubhouse alumni. They proved that they were exactly who the fascists said they were. Fast forward to today, and Joe is telling me what he'll do to stop fascism in his next term if I give him money to do the job he already gets paid to do, but wont do a goddamn thing to stop fascism RIGHT NOW WHILE HE HAS THE POWER. To my first point: Joe has been in DC SINCE 1972.
The DNC failed to put in a non-establishment candidate, so the Republican voters made it happen.
That huge failure continues to haunt this country while the DNC and the Republican voters double down on their mistakes.
There are some elections between 1929 and 1939 that would be more consequential.
I've always held that Bernie deserved better than his supporters.
The one time he actually needed all that energy and noise and the shitbags turned out with all the enthusiasm of a deadbeat dad being asked to come to parent teacher night.
Millenials and Zoomers turning out at population share at the primary would have made it a landslide for him. They couldn't even do that much, nevermind the easy dominating overrepresented share they could take with all the boomers catching the MAGA brainrot.
Nah, Bernie deserved better than the backroom deals that kept him from ever having a fair chance at getting the nomination.
Bernie lost at the ballot box ultimately. The reason he couldn’t make any backroom deals is because he spent his time attacking the Democratic Party the entire primary both times. I don’t understand why people expected them to shake his hand as he continuously spat in theirs.
I am a fan of Bernie. I volunteered for one of his campaigns. But it is always surprising to me how people forget the game he played. He wanted to be a revolutionary, to be a massive wind of change and take down the Democrat establishment. He described them as corrupt and awful at every single campaign stop. What the hell did people expect other than the Democrat establishment being upset about that? He’s not even a Democrat, he’s an independent who joined their party for the purpose of trying to get the nomination. Fair play, and obviously the only realistic way he had a shot at being president, but he is by every definition an outsider to the party - which we loved about him! But why on earth would they warmly embrace him?
Millennials and Zoomers turning out at population share at the primary would have made it a landslide for him. They couldn't even do that much, nevermind the easy dominating overrepresented share they could take with all the boomers catching the MAGA brainrot.
First off, Gen Z was born between 1995 and 2012, which means only a small % of them could even vote in 2016 (1995-1998) and 2020 (1995-2002). Even 2020 we’re talking less than like 30% of the generation was even old enough to vote. In 2016 it was like 12-15%? So I would take a step back for a second and think through this blanket statement of yours on that alone. 6 years out of 17 won’t be able to vote this coming election, so we’re talking (napkin math) like 70% of the generation is even eligible in 2024. I hope my point has been sufficiently made here.
Second, why is it the responsibility of Gen Z and Millennials to save everyone else, or rather - why is it our fault when other people vote for Trump/someone else in the primaries? Why didn’t Gen X vote for him? Why are boomers off the hook? It’s not Gen Z and Millenials’ collective fault that other people voted for Trump. That’s absurd.
This just gives me flashbacks to Republicans in 2016 essentially saying “well you forced me to vote for Trump when you all [insert social issue they are mad about]” as if they aren’t responsible for their own actions and it’s everyone else’s fault they voted for the bigoted conman.
We could have had Bernie if the NY Board of Elections didn't purge all newly registered Democrats despite complying with the October 9th deadline. They erased over 120,000 in Brooklyn alone. The fix was in.
The fix was in but easily surmountable by just fucking turning out.
DNC meddling is a fucking boogeyman, only 30 million people voted in the primaries, y'all fucking flaked and won't deserve a leader like him again until you all fucking own that y'all abdicated.
The best excuse y'all could possibly have is that the DNC meddling boogeyman actually spooked you out of participating. Then at least you're just a moron instead of being pathetic too.
Nostalgia is a good tool against anxiety, but it may perturbate the notion of reality