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[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Here's the part I like: Biden said "if they’re serious they ought to 'announce for president, challenge me at the convention' or rally behind him against Trump".

He's got a point. I thought the debate was a massive fuck-up, but deciding who to replace him with and then mounting a viable attempt at the replacement with that person makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than just leaning into GOP talking points about how Biden's fuckups, however bad, are definitely worse than Trump's objectively much worse fuckups.

Replace Biden? Sure, let's get fuckin busy, find a good replacement, and if doesn't work, get behind Biden or whoever the nominee is. I still think Jon Stewart is the way to do it, but that is probably a non starter of an idea. Kamala Harris is the highest polling option and realistic. Be aware that everyone who was super panicked about Biden's unsuitability will instantly pivot to panicking with concern-trolling about Kamala's unsuitability, and if you fall for it right away again and start trying to replace her, I will not have a lot of respect for you or your intelligence or pattern recognition abilities.

Keep Biden? Sure, that sounds good too. Let's get fuckin busy, and start rallying people to help him beat the end of the world in November.

Keep running in circles flapping our hands in the air about how something must be done because we're definitely going to lose in November, without offering any good alternate strategy or way to get it done? That is the option that seems unlikely to cause anything good to happen. It is, however, what a lot of the Republican aligned media seems very very committed to encouraging the Democrats to do, and for some mentally challenged reason it seems like it's winning over quite a lot of them.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Jon Stewart has said multiple times that he feels he can do more good outside of the political system doing what he does, than inside it being stymied at every turn.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

He's definitely not going to be able to do much good if Trump get elected, and he along with everyone else in the media who's left of Charlie Kirk gets brought up on charges of lèse-majesté.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Don’t talk too loudly about Democrats increasing funding for cops, it helps Trump!

Don’t talk too loudly about Biden bankrolling a genocide, it helps Trump!

Don’t talk too loudly about the man y’all say will protect us from Trump being too incapacitated to protect us from Trump, it helps Trump!

It is crazy to try to paint this as drama when you bring up any issues before things get bad, folks will just shout you down anyway. I've seen many liberals say they would vote for Biden's corpse, so what difference does it make if it is someone else with (D) next to their name? You might as well go down swinging than on your knees.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Biden is just another arrogant, out of touch, privileged elite with no understanding of what the majority of Americans experience day to day.

His hubris was on full display in Friday's interview, the stakes are clearly not the same for him. He has enough wealth and power to weather this fascist storm, unfortunately most of us do not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If Trump gets elected, I'm pretty sure Biden's going to get a kangaroo court trial on some garbage charge and be sent to prison.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Worst case scenario Biden has the resources/connections to evacuate to somewhere safe and luxurious. The rest of us are stuck dealing with christofascist militias. The wealthy will continue living in opulence.

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[–] aubeynarf 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Bro, a 25 year old who happened to get a job in tech 5 years ago is a millionaire. Baseline retirement savings is a couple million. Pretty much any upper-middle-class professional career (doctor, lawyer, finance) is going to net you a few million within several years.

It’s not the thing you think it is. The truly wealthy are pulling in 1,000x to 100,000x that number.

He really isn’t wealthy, did grow up in a working-class environment, and certainly is not a trust-fund baby, billionaire, or media celebrity. Kind of hilarious assertion considering the competition.

What candidate would you like to see replace Biden?

(weird how 15-20 upvotes is the baseline for these kind of comments.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I don't think you understand how money works. You literally just described a trust fund baby because nobody is making a couple million dollars just because they got an advanced degree. Doctors that make the big bucks have to go through 12 years of schooling. And then they're paying that back for a decade before they get to enjoy their income. So yeah at the age of 40, assuming they were successful in their residency, assuming they got a good hospital job, then they get to spend another 5-10 years saving for retirement.

You can't just look at the high end of a career and assume you walk into that kind of money. That's not how it works unless you have the high level connections a trust fund baby would have.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party cannot fail us.

It is only us who can fail the Democratic Party.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

“We have 42 days to the Democratic Convention and 119 days to the general election,” Biden said in the letter

Sounds like we got 42 more days to name a candidate...

Why the fuck are we pretending this is only Biden's decision though?

The DNC can nominate anyone they want, and Biden already said he doesn't care if trump wins.

So why does Biden get to insist he's the candidate? Especially when every metric and data point we have, shows Biden won't be able to pull it off?

This election is more important than an 81 year olds personal beliefs and if "Lord God" has told him to drop out or not

Pushing forward with Joe is damn near suicidal at this point.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Biden said he doesn't care if Trump wins? What?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yep.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/biden-abc-interview-trump-election-peace

The article has the clip.

As long as he does the "goodest" job he can, he's fine with trump winning.

If you haven't watched the full interview yet. You really need to

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, but technically it is entirely up to Biden, and no one else. The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee. Most delegates that will vote for him at the convention, must vote for him. They’re required by state law to vote with the primary’s popular vote. The only way for that to change is for Biden to decide to step aside. Then the delegates would be free to vote however they wanted.

It’s a messed up and broken system that is hard to call democratic, but internal party politics rarely are. He needs to be the bigger person and step aside. It’s pure hubris at this point for him to think he’s the only human being in a country of 300 million who could beat Trump.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (11 children)

The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee.

That's not what the DNCs lawyers argued to a judge less than a decade ago...

You're assuming the DNC can't just change their own rules first. Which is what the DNC is currently acting like.

It's not true though. They change their own rules all the time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You're assuming the DNC can't just change their own rules first.

The DNC is a private corporation. Corporations are people too, friend.

Everything you said checks out, sir.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The DNC can nominate whoever, but one point of contention will be the millions in individual donations for Biden-Harris...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Millions sound like a lot...

But it was projected to cost 2 billion for Biden to beat Trump this election.

But the bulk of Biden's money is in the BVF, something that the DNC has access to as well. Lots of people confuse that with Biden's money only.

The majority of the money isn't just controlled by Biden's campaign.

I'd like to think he'd hand it over to the new candidate, but even if he doesn't. Dark money won't start flowing for another month or so that's when it's too late to track down before the election.

Did you hear about it last election?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-64-million-mystery-anonymous-donations-2024-presidential-campaign/

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well as long as he gives it his all between 5am and 8pm...

🙄

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Thats more than normal working hours. Only Boebert gives her all after 8pm

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

He's the president. It's not a fucking 9-5.

What an asinine way to justify his bed time.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean, if shit gets fucked up because the president is sleeping, I'd argue that some things that should have been delegated weren't rather than it being a problem that the president sleeps. If he stayed up until 1am, what if something big happened at 2am?

The whole "what would Hillary do if she got a 3am phone call" thing was dumb. If there's an attack, it should be military people determining the immediate course of action and the president weighing in for the longer term response. Presidents should handle strategic response, not tactical response.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Trump was work’n that 10am-2pm

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

If golfing is working, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

All I've seen is people telling him to step down. I haven't seen a concrete solution for what happens if he does. That's why all of this dick waving is doing nothing but hurting his chances. All you "Dems" are just regurgitating conservative talking points and doing their propaganda for them. Instead of talking about how he stumbled, talk about how Trump did nothing but lie, rape, and is a convicted felon. His showing was far worse than Biden, yet here his side is attacking him and ignoring Trump. The option to switch candidates is long gone. It's fine to be critical of Biden, but if all you are is critical, then you are actively hurting his chances of reelection.

It's mind numbing how many of you are just out there actively attacking the guy that will be the candidate in November, whether you like it or not. Reality sucks sometimes, and you get stuck with a giant douche and a turd sandwich, but that's just how it is. An awful lot of faces for leopards out there.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because there isn't one. Everyone asking him to step down with no clear alternative is either stupid or acting in bad faith. The longer this BS goes on the more likely it is to turn off undecided voters regardless of the replacement.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

There is no conservative talking points. Liberal media has brainwashed Dems to the point they won't accept Biden is a senile joke when everyone watching a 30 second clip of the debate can observe it for themselves.

And after months of liberal media gaslighting about how Biden is totally fine even they now have to admit he's a senile geriatric. But since they told everyone that's deepfake propaganda libs won't believe their eyes and ears anymore.

Biden can still be swapped but Dems are already in Blue MAGA mode. It's hillarious. Biden simps will be the reason Trump wins.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

I'll still be voting for Biden even if he's preserved as a head in a jar this fall. However, I wish it were not so, and I think far too many normies and the generally clueless (and pouty purity pony lefty dumbasses) are going to stay home, lodge a stupid "protest vote", or vote outright for donnie if it's Biden as the Democratic option.

Bleh.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Can't wait for a repeat of 2016. Thanks Biden.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think I've finally figured out the Democratic Party's strategy here. The Dems have never held the presidency through two consecutive candidates, save for the VP taking over after the president's death. They're pushing Biden so hard knowing he'll die shortly into his second term, then they'll have Harris for at least one term, giving them a slight advantage in 2028. And if they can secure a second term for Harris, that gives them eight years to mildly delay fascism, and by that point the earth will be on fire too much for any government system to matter.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Oh yeah.

2028 is going to be a repeat of this regardless of if Biden or Kamal run in 2024.

2028 will be a bullshit "primary", NH will get their delegates stolen again. And the DNC will announce it's over after 3-4 Republican states have voted.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'll say this:

Whether he stays or he goes we all need to figure out a direction soon or be split when it matters most.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (10 children)

How about you first of all pull your head out of your ass and understand the existential nature of the situation, Biden? It’s starting to look like you’re one of the last people in the party that just doesn’t fucking get it. We’re probably not going to have real elections anymore if you lose to Trump, and you don’t seem to be taking that seriously. You’ve done fuck-all over your term to actually combat the rising fascism in this country, and we’re in this situation in large part because of that. Get out of the fucking way and let someone who will actually treat the situation with the seriousness it deserves have the ticket.

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