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[–] [email protected] 79 points 8 months ago (3 children)

“Many girls were completely terrified and had tremendous anxiety attacks because they were suffering this in silence,” she told Reuters at the time. “They felt bad and were afraid to tell and be blamed for it.”

WTF?!

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Spain is a pretty Catholic country, and even if religious attendance is dropping off, the ingrained beliefs can still remain. Madonna/Whore dichotomy still is very prevalent in certain parts of society there.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago

Psychology 101.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I read the headline and said oh come on. One paragraph in and that turned to what in the absolute fuck.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Are you surprised by teenage boys making fake nudes of girls in their school? I'm surprised by how few of these cases have made the news.

I don't think there's any way to put this cat back in the bag. We should probably work on teaching boys not to be horrible.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm not sure you can teach boys not to be horny teenagers 😜

[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 months ago

Having been a teenage boy myself, I wouldn't dream of trying.

But I knew it wasn't OK to climb a tree with binoculars to try to catch a glimpse of the girl next door changing clothes, and I knew it wasn't OK to touch people without their consent. I knew people who did things like that were peeping toms and rapists. I believed peeping toms and rapists would be socially ostracized and legally punished more harshly than they often are in reality.

Making and sharing deepfakes of real people without their consent belongs on the same spectrum.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

We do eventually grow up at least

... into horny men

... but hopefully with a little more empathy and propriety.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

There are always two paths to take - take away all of humanity’s tools or aggressively police people who abuse them. No matter the tool (AI, computers, guns, cars, hydraulic presses) there will be somebody who abuses it, and for society to function properly we have to do something about the delinquent minority of society.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No matter the tool (AI, computers, guns, cars, hydraulic presses) there will be somebody who abuses it,

Hydraulic press channel guy offended you somehow? I'm missing something here.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No, just an example. But if you’ve ever noticed the giant list of safety warnings on industrial machinery, you should know that every single one of those rules was written in blood.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Either Darwin awards or assholes, most likely. Those warnings are written due to fear of lawsuit.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think they're offended. I think they're saying that a tool is a tool. A gun or AI are only dangerous if misused, like a hydraulic press.

We can't go around removing the tools because some people will abuse them. Any tool can kill someone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Guns have no other purpose though, they shouldn't be lumped in with the rest of that list (except hunting rifles and so on, for folks that actually need them).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's purposely obtuse. Of course guns have a purpose, you even listed one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why I keep trying to talk about this with Americans, my bad. You're completely right!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sure, get needlessly antagonistic, provoke a response, decide to run from the confrontation you caused, and I'm the childish one. Fuck outta here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Rofl you just lost

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Guns do not belong in the list. Guns are weapons, not tools. Don't bother posting some random edge case that accounts for approximately 0.000001% of use. This is a basic category error.

Governments should make rules banning and/or regulating weapons.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Weapons are tools, by strict definition, and there are legitimate uses for them. Besides, my point was that they should be regulated. In fact, because they are less generally useful than constructive tools, they should be regulated far MORE strictly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Weapons are tools,

Prove it. Prove that the majority of people think of a gun in the same way as they do a screwdriver

by strict definition,

Assertion without evidence

and there are legitimate uses for them.

I see we didn't read what I wrote, only the first sentence of what I wrote.

Besides, my point was that they should be regulated. In fact, because they are less generally useful than constructive tools, they should be regulated far MORE strictly.

By generally you mean not even close to them yes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It seems we can’t have a reasonable discourse here because you are ignoring basic definitions. Have a lovely day!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No you are pulling a libertarian. You defined a word that is used a particular way to mean what you want it to mean then declare victory.

You are not arguing step-by-step, you are bypassing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (30 children)

Mate, he's right. First definition. "A handheld device used to aid in performing a task." Any gun falls into that definition. But sure, get hung up on asking them to define every word in their statements, that's a good way to not have to actually engage with the concept.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We could also do a better job of teaching people from childhood not to be assholes.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Teenagers are literally retarded. Like their reasoning centers are not developed and they physically cannot think. There's no way to teach that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

No, they're not fully developed, but they distinguish actions morally speaking (even older children do) and they can choose to do better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

It's how they learn it.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago

They are releasing stories like this to promote the new that requires adults to login to pornsites and to limit their use of it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A court in south-west Spain has sentenced 15 schoolchildren to a year’s probation for creating and spreading AI-generated images of their female peers in a case that prompted a debate on the harmful and abusive uses of deepfake technology.

Police began investigating the matter last year after parents in the Extremaduran town of Almendralejo reported that faked naked pictures of their daughters were being circulated on WhatsApp groups.

Each of the defendants was handed a year’s probation and ordered to attend classes on gender and equality awareness, and on the “responsible use of technology”.

Under Spanish law minors under 14 cannot be charged but their cases are sent to child protection services, which can force them to take part in rehabilitation courses.

In an interview with the Guardian five months ago, the mother of one of the victims recalled her shock and disbelief when her daughter showed her one of the images.

“Beyond this particular trial, these facts should make us reflect on the need to educate people about equality between men and women,” the association told the online newspaper ElDiario.es.


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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What does this have to do with the equality of men and women? Girls are more at risk of this kind of abuse? That's a good point, but it's not brought up here. This parent is trying to make something political that is simply not. Not that gender equality should be political in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

“Absolutely no way to prevent this”, says internet full of banners offering to “Undress your classmates now!”

“Tools are just tools, and there’s no sense in restricting access to undress_that_ap_chemistry_hottie.exe because it wouldn’t prevent even a single case of abuse and would also destroy every legitimate use of any computer anywhere”, said user [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

It's possible I just haven't come across those types of comments you're making fun of, but I usually just see people making the case that we don't need new, possibly overreaching, legislation to handle these situations. They want to avoid a disingenuous "think of the children" kind of situation.

a youth court in the city of Badajoz said it had convicted the minors of 20 counts of creating child abuse images and 20 counts of offences against their victims’ moral integrity

I'm not familiar with their legal system but I would be willing to bet the crimes they've committed were already illegal under existing laws.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Well you certainly managed to get attention to your comment

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why not also go after these software companies for allowing such images to be generated. i.e allowing AI generated images of naked bodies on uploaded images to real people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

How? How could you make an algorithm that correctly identified what nude bodies look like? Tumblr couldn't differentiate between nudes and sand dunes back when they enforced their new policies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

This sounds great, but it’s one of those things that is infinitely easier to say than do. You’re essentially asking for one of two things: Manual human intervention for every single image uploaded, or “the perfect image recognition system.” And honestly, the first is fraught with its own issues, and the second does not exist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Next they'll ban E2EE and libre software.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Under Spanish law minors under 14 cannot be charged

What about the parents?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think parents under 14 also cannot be charged.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Ahh the old ~~reddit~~ Lemmy switcharoo

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