Harris is Hillary Clinton, circa 2008. The boring, default candidate the Democrats will put forward if nobody else steps up.
Hopefully, we find an Obama candidate at the convention, because Harris will bore the nation into a Trump victory.
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If anyone can peel a few red state voters off of Trump, it would be Mark and/or Scott Kelly.
Harris will still suck, but she'll do a much better job at fighting fascists than Joe did
The polling so far gives me doubt.
I want someone who isn't Trump to win this fucking election, I don't personally care who it is as long as they can deliver. My concern is that Harris can't and, if so, she should step back as well.
This isn't a time for "Well I gave it my all". Have a plan to win or GTFO.
My concern is that Harris can’t
I think she'll get a huge bump when/if she's the named candidate.
Progressives are pretty experienced at holding our noses, especially if there's plausible deniability about the candidate.
I'm a lot more confident in her chances than Joe's, and I think she's the only other option the DNC will give us.
The youth don't traditionally vote for "Not Trump" - we need to actually excite the voters.
What happened in 2020?
Harris will be enough, just like Joe was last time.
Because it's easier to ignore potential disappointment than ignore an ongoing disappointment
What happened with Clinton?
Well what they said was that she had too much baggage from Bill. And wasn't likeable. And wasn't Bernie. And didn't look like a President. I dunno, I voted for her and so did everyone I know. Seemed like entrenched misogyny to me.
But Roe was the law of the land back then. Might make a difference.
Bill?
He was young, charismatic, and pretended to be very progressive when campaigning...
Worked.out great. Then we doubled down with Obama after that.
Then for some reason after that we've just been running elderly unpopular candidates that are more conservative than Dem voters...
Agreed with this 100%
Yes, this. Let's whip up some real competition and select someone that we can really get normies to rally behind.
I’m ambivalent to slightly negative on Harris (mostly because I still don’t know what her health care plan is) but at least she can express her thoughts coherently. If nothing else I feel confident in her ability to articulate the case against a felon given her background as a prosecutor.
Yeah, no one's saying she'll be great.
She just meets the incredibly low bar of looking great next to trump. Joe cant
she'll do a much better job at fighting fascists than Joe did
Why do you say this?
I don’t think Kamala would have fumbled the debate. I think she would have put Trump in his place and called him out on his bullshit lies. We would be having a different discussion and who knows, maybe a loaner kid would still be alive today.
Cops dont fight fascists, they protect them
I have an awful feeling Harris will lose if she's chosen by the DNC for us. We need a brief open primary and a debate or two, people need to buy in and have a conversation about who has the best shot at beating the orange turd.
Which is why this whole scramble to force Biden out is fucking stupid. He won already, he can win again, nobody has any idea who would be better yet they're only focused on shoving him out.
I completely agree that it's a dick move to go back on his promise of only being one term, but that's just how it is. All this is showing to the independent voters right now is that the party is a massive chaotic mess.
Do you really think there are undecided voters? This has been the 2 candidates for 5 years. This election is about voter engagement and turnout. Biden and Harris both lose on that.
I remember seeing a pundit on MSNBC shouting at the camera two years ago that if Biden doesn’t run again then it NEEDS to be Harris and voters had “better fall in line.” This was way before the 2024 primary was even on the radar.
As much as I would choose almost any of the other 2020 primary candidates and any of a handful of other known Democrats over Harris, she is probably the only justifiable choice in this scenario. She was on the ticket as the back-up president that people considered in the likely event that President oldasfuck died of old age during his term, and ultimately voted for her along with Biden. They knew she would again be the backup president when they voted for Biden in this primary too, when Biden was even more obviously close to being incapacitated or killed by his oldness.
I don’t think there will be any chance at rushing a new primary, and even if there were, a chunk of people will be left unsatisfied. Certainly a progressive wouldn’t be allowed to win such a primary anyway. It’s going to be Biden and Harris, or Harris and someone else. Come to peace with it now, before the news comes at you from a shouting head trying to shame you for feeling wrong about it.
If so much wasn't at stake, if someone told me I need to fall in line and support Harris as the heir apparent, part of me wants to just tell the party faithful to go fuck themselves with that kind of rhetoric.
The truth of the matter is....the Republicans are just so much worse. But telling people they need to line up behind a Biden (or a Harris) is just so cloying. Yes, maybe once it's time for the general, sure, because we don't have ranked choice and we only have one option, ultimately. Yeah, vote blue no matter who, because the alternative is a dumpster fire.
But this notion that it's someone's "turn" for reasons no one else cares about but these egotistical assholes when it comes to primaries - absurd. It's even WORSE when they hide behind identity politics to state these same things. Why should someone that wants the best candidate they think can WIN in the general give a good flying leap about DEI selection processes? What about policies? If it's an old cishet white guy (think Bernie) they can have some damn good policies in mind and that's what matters, not the amount of melanin they have or their gender. Why should anyone have to stand by and mindlessly repeat Harris is the best choice, simply by virtue of her being a woman of color? It's weirdly specific, too, because the same party machine seems to do everything to stab, say, AOC in the back, even though, imagine this - she's a female POC as well.
Yeah, this. I worry that just anointing Harris might result in even poorer results than Biden might have...the resentment against another person that is viewed as it just being "their turn" will be palpable.
If there is one thing that really annoyed people about Hillary, it was the narrative that she somehow deserved it, that it was just "time for a woman to lead" and all that. I don't know how much Hillary actually said this, but if she wasn't, others definitely were.
One way to get someone to just stay home or actively vote against you is to give the impression that you somehow are just owed that political seat. Donnie might be the one exception when it comes to his idiotic and delusional cult/base - the amount of butthurt that guy expresses even about having people oppose him during his term - he thinks he deserves a "third term" or some such nonsense. But he's definitely the exception, and I think the impression Hillary had around her rubbed even liberals the wrong way at times, most especially if they were not white women (I heard many white women just keep repeating that it's "her turn". That was cloying even for me, and I voted for her.).
Progress was never won with one candidate.
With one march.
With one speech.
It is a pursuit that we all take on together, one step in front of another. Harris is just one of many many steps to squashing fascism and bringing the treatment that every single American deserves. She’s not a perfectly square brick on our road, but she is a brick nonetheless.
Why have an heir apparent, FFS. How about some kind of actual selection process?
Why not just swap?