the tankies are so mad that "Genocide Kamala" just doesn't have the same ring to it lol
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Haven’t you noticed? They don’t give a shit about genocide anymore. They switched to “oLd!” After the debate.
Now they have nothing. It’s why they’re so quiet.
I give it three days tops before they figure out they can use the "ACAB, she's a prosecutor so she's actually a cop" angle as a replacement
Oh, I've already seen it on lemmy. Pretty soon you'll see Cop Kamala posts all over the plac
Pretty wild that these leftists consistently have leftist criticisms of the liberal candidate, I guess that means they support the conservative candidate.
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I mean that's been talked about for years already dude
The more I learn about her the more relaxed I feel about her as president tbh. I'm kinda surprised how little the trolls have come up with, you'd think there would be a bigger pile of shit for them to fling given the hard-on for getting Biden out of the race. It's almost encouraging in a weird sort of way.
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Yeah that attack already got shat upon so the GRU are weighing other attack options for tankies to perform.
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This page is nothing but a bunch of insecure fragile liberals fighting straw men. Are you so worried about valid and consistent leftist criticisms of your liberal candidate that you would prefer to silence all oppression? You're the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
Why is it shocking that genuine leftists (who also hate Trump) would have leftist-perspective criticisms of Kamala Harris too? Should everyone left of center be completely silenced? Is the Democrat candidate so weak and fragile that leftist criticisms will take her down?
This is nothing but tribal liberals trying to shut down progressive discourse.
You're all shockingly cultist. Holy shit this place is a disaster.
Lemmy.world in general is terrible for things like this, I would suggest joining a more niche instance or a different generalist instance if liberalism bothers you.
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It’s why they’re so quiet.
I mean I can criticize Kamala more if that's what you like.
It literally doesn't matter what we do or don't do, liberals will always find a way to attack the left. You can set your clock by it.
No one hates leftists more than other leftists
almost true, liberals hate leftists more, and fascists hate leftists most of all.
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This is an example of the pathetic one I've seen so far.
Ahhh classic linkerbaan
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The leftist discourse has been clear from the start. The reason the same arguments are being used is because they are still valid issues with the candidate.
I’ve been seeing liberals push this narrative a lot, that “tankies” just keep flip flopping to the next issue.
This is incredible. All I am seeing are the same issues raised over and over that liberals never address. Genuinely, do you not see that you are just being blue MAGA? How do you not see this?
The DNC is completely complicit in the US’ slide into fascism. Liberals just use the same tired debunked arguments and sneers which devolves the discourse into endless shit flinging. Leftists aren’t free of blame either, agitating is a classic pastime of many.
But to see liberals sneering and relishing in this “victory” while marching happily into literal fascism is just incredible.
Look, Kamala will probably win. I’m turning off the shit flinging mode right now and seriously saying something:
If you genuinely and truly don’t see how the path the US is on has been, and will lead, to fascism with a complicit ruling class… Jesus Christ man I don’t even know what to say.
I just don't want the Sunny d orangutan to put me into a fucking concentration camp. If that makes me blue maga, so be it I guess.
You act like voting is mutually exclusive with all other forms of resistance. Like yeah, obviously voting alone isn't going to do very much. But just because there's work to be done outside of the voting booth doesn't mean we should hand the oval office over to the actual facility on a silver platter.
Elections serve the function of capturing political energy and diverting it away from addressing any real issues. Has it escaped your notice that all candidates are completely subservient to the ruling class?
Every year the concentration of wealth grows. Every day, the USA continues to prop up a genocide. Every year true revolutionaries are quietly murdered, then memory-holed.
I'm personally not saying "don't vote" - on balance, I think it's worth exercising that minute degree of autonomy. What I am saying is: "Don't expect voting to affect real change, when the rolling class has complete control over candidate selection"
Voting alone obviously isn't enough. It's the absolute bare minimum.
I can meet you there
So outside of instantaneously and magically destroying the existing power structure and government as it currently exists, what do you propose? How long will it take to implement, and what risks are there in doing it?
The “leftist” arguments I’ve seen so far never mention that.
The solution leftists offer is to organise the working class against its oppressors. This is a tedious process because of the lack of knowledge the average person has around this topic (otherwise you wouldn’t have had to ask this question). The working class will always have their numbers in their favour, but in order to effectively overthrow the ruling class they need to understand the class relations in place. You can contribute by reading leftist literature on class relations and educating those around you. There are leftist reading groups in basically every city especially for this reason.
To add, reading theory is not enough, just a good start. You should join an org if you have the time and resources to do so, and contribute to building dual power.
Definitely. Most orgs in the West (that I know of) are at the moment focused mostly on education because it’s so lacking in our society
There are some good orgs to join, such as the Party for Socialism and Liberation, for those based in the US. There are also Anarchist orgs like Food Not Bombs that set up networks of Mutual Aid, though their focus is on immediate benefits to the poor and not building up dual power to replace the current system.
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I would like to flip this argument on its head. If the right wing is putting up a sufficiently fascist candidate, does that mean you will broker no criticism of the less right wing candidate? They can just keep playing that trick on you forever?
Well, I consider “liberals” and “Democrats” to be pretty clear and on the record as to what changes they would make. They have position papers and - things, if one is so inclined to wonk it up.
But if self-described “progressives” and “leftists” are saying they’re so corrupt, they’re leading us down the road to being locked in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside - well, okay, what’s the “progressive”, “left” road like, then?
Here’s why: explain how your political process can flourish. It’s not like politics is a recent invention - so-called “progressives” or “leftists” must have something in mind, what is it?
What I expect is either complete silence, or something wildly unlikely. But - open to the idea: what is it, how does it work, what are the risks?
So...you are tacitly admitting that the "lesser of two evils" trick will always work on you?
explain how your political process can flourish
I don't recall proposing a political process. I'll engage with the strawman anyway. If I was president of this wretched hellscape, The bare minimum policies to start would be:
Electoral reform, labor reform, UBI, criminal justice reform, tax reform (wealth tax, inheritance tax, national property tax, tax on financial transactions), corporate death penalty, presumptive liability for corporate executives, bring the military and police to heel.
something wildly unlikely
Uhh, sure, it is going to be very difficult to change the power structures in the United States that are entrenched into every facet of life and constantly propagandized through the media. I guess we should just give up and spend all our time fellating the ruling class.
Here’s why: explain how your political process can flourish. It’s not like politics is a recent invention - so-called “progressives” or “leftists” must have something in mind, what is it?
Here is PSL's party platform they are campaigning on, as they try to build up a Leftist political party in the US. There are leftist plans and actions we can take.
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Perfect response.
I would just like to add:
I think what the USian liberals on here are missing is perspective. I think they have a worldview where the election is all that matters, so any whiff of dissent MUST mean the "tankies" are out to make the blue team lose.
Liberals, do you really think undecided voters in swing states are making voting decisions based on political threads on Lemmy?
If you truly want to understand instead of just downvote and run, try and mentally transpose this situation onto the British empire 100+ years ago. Sure, there are elections, but the grinding bloodthirsty machine of empire proceeds apace with no regard to the election before or after. Sure, one party is worse, that's the literal manipulative trap of first past the post.
When we look at this world, there is one nation that has been terrorizing the world for over 70 years. Unless you are very naive, you shouldn't expect compliant national media to give a balanced portrait of this history.
We're not going to stop talking about the bloodshed and the empire and the propaganda until it has been burned to the ground. You can join the media and intelligence services, and do everything in your power to silence us - or you could consider that perhaps our positions are principled. Perhaps we once believed just like you did, so we see how close you are to piercing the veil of deception.
Or we are all literally paid shills and you don't have to change any of your beliefs because the United States is a beacon of freedom and justice to the whole world....
I do have a really good reason not to vote for Kamala Harris.
I'm not American and sneaking into your country to vote would be kind of difficult I guess. But please those who can, vote, orange man is a danger for all the world.
Yeah, this is my parents. They would literally rather not vote, than to vote for a Demoncrat... 🙄
I'll be sure to thank them for their unbending morals when I get put in a concentration camp.
I'll be right there with you 🏳️🌈
Well, they got their way… we’re not voting for Biden. The ball is in their court now. Let’s see if they take it and go home.
Over the last few months it's become clear to me that Trump is the cudgel with which any leftist discourse is shut down. The ultimate free pass for corporate Democrats.
Welcome to the two party system. If you want to change it's gonna take a whole lot more than just voting, but if the left can't even do that then we're fucking doomed.
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