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Not my blog, but the author's experience reminded me of my own frustrations with Microsoft GitHub.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There are quite a few things I don't like about GitHub, but calling it legacy makes no sense.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

I've got to say, seeing this:

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/network

instead of something like this:

https://fork.dev/blog/posts/collapsible-graph/

or this:

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:4800/format:webp/0*60NIVdYj2f5vETt2.png

feels pretty damn legacy to me.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

both of those aren't websites. I use fork though and had no clue you could do that. I've needed that like 10 times in the last week alone haha

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I am about to make you very happy.

alias gl='git log --graph --abbrev-commit --no-decorate --date=format:'\''%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'\'' --format=format:'\''%C(8)%>|(16)%h  %C(7)%ad  %C(8)%<(16,trunc)%an  %C(auto)%d %>|(1)%s'\'' --all'
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I use git log --graph --all --remotes --oneline whenever I need to shell into another computer, but it's still too barebones for regular use.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking "oh, network view, this is gonna be a good example", but that comparison isn't.

What specifically do you think is legacy in that comparison? The coloring? The horizontal layout? The whitespace?

The network view lays out forks and their branches, not only [local]/[local+1-remote] branches.

I don't know what IDE that miro screenshot is from. But I see it as wasteful and confusing. The author initials are useless and wasteful, picking away focus. The branch labels are far off from the branch heads. The coloring seems confusing.

bg looks like the same

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do either of those tools show logs across forks though? The first link is a totally different purpose than the second two.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My one complaint: Search code in a repo, and then there is no link to return to the repo home. Back, back, back, back...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I got caught by this one today. I use the search feature all the time, and I don't know why I didn't notice that until today. I found the thing I was looking for, then wanted to go back to issues backlog for that repo, I clicked "Issues", that just took me to a filtered view of my search term within issues. Deleting my search term didn't help. I was clicking around for at least a minute before I realised there's actually no way back to the main repo from that page.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The only issue they mention is browser page text search not working on rendered file view (blame).

The feels legacy conclusion doesn't make any sense to me.

GitHub is not the only platform implementing virtual scrolling, partial rendering of rendered files. There's a reason they do that: Files can get big, and adding various code highlighting and interactivity costs performance. It's not a local code representation and rendered canvas. It's rendered into a DOM and DOM representation, with markup and attached logic. Which at some point quickly becomes very inefficient or costly.

Not being able to use the browser text search is an unfortunate side effect.

I consider it a worsening modernization/feature addition. That's the opposite of legacy. We're moving forward (in a bad way), not stagnating.

When I click Blame, and then press Ctrl+F, it opens not my browser text search but the in-page in-file search. It works for me. (Not that I always use that search or like it.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

It would certainly help if the GitHub code search wasn't utter garbage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There’s a reason they do that: Files can get big

Oh, boy. Wouldn't it be great if servers had a way to discover the size of the files on their storage without having to read them?

adding various code highlighting and interactivity costs performance

Somebody, quick, there's work to be done on language theory so that we learn how to do those things with a cost just proportional to the file size!

(No way! Who is that Chomsky guy you keep telling me about?)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Dude, his point is that if you did not implement partial rendering on a big file, the browser will have to work extra hard to render that shit. Not to mention if you add any interactivity on the client side like variable highlighting that needs to be context aware for each language... that basically turns your browser into VSCode, at that point just launch the browser based vscode using the . shortcut.

It's not a matter of the server side of things but rather on the client side of things.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

While I agree with the body of the post, the title is just utter bullshit in this context.

With that being said, GitHub is a prime example of Rails in action, warts and all. To many that use Rails it probably is erring towards legacy given some of the technical decisions made regarding frontend within Rails. Rails is one of those rare stacks where it isn't uncommon to see the likes of jQuery powering parts of UI, and parts of the Rails stack trying to make quasi-SPA's. Personal thoughts aside as a former Rails developer, it's long been said that GitHub and Rails have probably been too heavily intertwined.

I can understand why they're moving to React, but the gripe seems mostly with server-side rendering - which you can do within Rails. This just feels more like a feedback piece for a specific area of functionality over saying that GitHub is legacy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I threw various keywords from that line into the browser’s command+F search box, and nothing came up.

When one clicks command+F while on the git blame, GitHub throws up their own search box. Not rendering everything at once is something a lot of stuff does.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

What does the author mean with "legacy"? I thought that meant "abandoned". Github is nowhere near abandoned. People keep flocking to it and giving it more power.

If it becomes too shitty to use, my guess is that the majority will still stay because of inertia. Regardless of what alternatives exist, the majority stays with the popular.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When she says it's starting to feel like legacy software, I think she means parts of it seem to be falling into disrepair. Some things that once worked consistently and easily, like using the browser's built-in search, no longer do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That isn't what legacy means.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The meaning of words often varies with context.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Techical terms with specific meanings don't vary significantly based on context, because consistency is important in technical usage.

The author is complaining about how guthub is being poorly modernized, which is the opposite of legacy software. If she means 'something we choose use out of tradition' that isn't what legacy software means.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

But you can still understand the gist of the article even if it used that word differently.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What does the author mean with “legacy”? I thought that meant “abandoned”.

Legacy to me does not mean abandoned, but the previous version that is still needed. It does not tell you if its "supported". Abandoned would be a software no longer in "supported" to me. But that does not say if its still needed today. So legacy and abandoned are similar, but not the same, only sometimes the same. Legacy software or hardware can be popular in usage too. In example old graphics cards like GTX 1070 are legacy and use legacy drivers. They are somewhat popular still. The official drivers from Nvidia still support this older graphics card, so they are not abandoned, only legacy.

This is what my definition of these words. I don't think Github itself is legacy nor abandoned. I personally am just a very simple Git user and use Github through the git command and for some tasks through the website of Github. It's fine for me and I don't care if someone calls it legacy or abandoned. It's not.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've used several different forges over my career and github is the worst by far. The navigation is clunky, the search never searches the stuff you want to look at without menu hopping, the recent repos doesn't include half the stuff you made a PR to recently, CI integration kinda sucks compared to gitlab or bitbucket.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Worse than Sourceforge? Savannah?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

The company i was with was still using clearcase when those were popular. I've used github, gitlab, and bitbucket as git based software forges professionally. In fairness Github is way better than the clearcase process we used.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

The fact that the dates in the commit log are relative is stupid as shit. I am looking for the commit on March 14th at 3pm, not "last year"

edit: I'm an idiot 😭

edit 2: I just noticed that GitHub's git log does show exact dates, only as headings though, not on each commit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tell me what you found out!?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Don't be xkcd Denver coder, tell us how you fixed this shit right now

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Edge does that shit too with JSON... It made me switch to Firefox, so good for me (other than that Firefox has a tendency to enshittify too, but in different ways).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't think this is an anti-React post, like the other commenters are implying.

This issue would occur when attempting to search any webpage with the web browser's builtin search feature before the content has a chance to load in. This happens if the page requires JavaScript to load, which is the case with React apps.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Honestly I got no problem with GitHub and use it everyday on a large open-source code base and it works like a charm.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

More people need to give Gitlab a chance. It’s really come into its own and I agree that Github now feels like typical unfocused, bloated MS software.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I truly can’t. I have pet peeves with GitHub but overall it’s good and the UI is clear enough. I have to use gitlab for a few projects and it’s so damn confusing, with so many little annoying things I just can’t stand it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Gitlab feels also a bit weird to me, though.

The git part is perfectly fine, but at my job we're trying to get our cloud tool landscape to work with gitlab CI and it's really a struggle.

Something as simple as packaging the same artifact in two different ways or running tests in docker images before pushing them is really hard. Gitlab seems to insist on having a single commit as its entire context and communication between stages (especially on different runners) is almost laughably limited.

Jenkins on the other hand has at least the option to have a shared workspace. Yes, this has its downsides, but at least I have the option. Gitlab forces you to use outside tools in very involved ways or follow exactly their own, highly opinionated approach.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

GitLab just doesn't compare in my view:

To begin with, you have three different major versions to work with:

  • Self-Hosted open source
  • SAAS open source
  • Enterprise SAAS

Each of which have different features available and limitations, but all sharing the same documentation- A recipe for confusion if ever I saw one. Some of what's documented only applies to you the enterprise SAAS as used by GitLab themselves and not available to customers.

Whilst theoretically, it should be possible to have a gitlab pipeline equivalent to GitHub actions, invariably these seem to metastasize In production to use includes making them tens or hundreds of thousands of lines long. Yes, I'm speaking from production experience across multiple organisations. Things that you would think were obvious and straightforward, especially coming from GitHub actions, seen difficult or impossible, example:

I wanted to set up a GitHub action for a little Golang app: on push to any branch run tests and make a release build available, retaining artefacts for a week. On merging to main, make a release build available with artefacts retained indefinitely. Took me a couple of hours when I'd never done this before but all more or less as one would expect. I tried to do the equivalent in gitlab free SAAS and I gave up after a day and a half- testing and building was okay but it seems that you're expected to use a third party artefact store. Yes, you could make the case that this is outside of remit, although given that the major competitor or alternative supports this, that seems a strange position. In any case though, you would expect it to be clearly documented, it isn't or at least wasn't 6 months ago.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

I want to self host instead, but then there's always the "what if a tornado hits my house and I lose my life's work?" fear that keeps me using GitHub...

Edit: thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into them!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Self host with backups set up?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Try Codeberg!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

There is always sourcehut

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

They should try Bitbucket

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