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[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Netanyahu's address will be presided over by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair Ben Cardin in Harris' absence.

Harris' meeting with Netanyahu is separate from his expected meeting with Democratic U.S. President Joe Biden who stepped aside as candidate for the 2024 elections and endorsed Harris, her aide said. Biden is recovering from COVID.

Politico reported that Netanyahu also requested an in-person meeting with Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump but the former president has yet to agree.

It's fucking insane how little money it's taken Israel to buy off our entire government.

He should be handed over for war crimes the second he sets foot on US soil, but there's no chance of that happening

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The money is important, but it isn't the most important part of the equation. The value of having a nearly 100% dependable ally in that region trumps almost every other possible concern from a political perspective.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Clearly they aren’t dependable since they can’t be bothered to stop killing women and children.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In my head canon he wasn’t even invited. He just heard Biden was out and now he thinks he’s gotta come here and do whatever combo of shmoozing and/or threatening it takes to make sure his genocidal gravy train keeps flowing

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

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He's speaking in front of Congress, he was literally invited by the majority of our government...

He shouldn't be, but pretending he wasn't isn't helping. We should be focusing on replacing every politician that invited him, not pretending the problem doesn't exist

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That’s why I said “In my head canon..” I know it’s not true, and I’m not pretending it is. It’s satire.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

genocidal gravy train

This is a great summary of what's going on

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Boo.

You’re off to a decent start Harris, don’t fuck this up by backing a genocidal Nazi regime.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

This is a test for her. Seeing how she meets and responds to a world leader who Americans have an extremely divided opinion about. It's a tight rope walk.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

If Kamala blows this meeting she will lose any momentum she has. She needs to be firm with them about ending their war. His speech to congress was pure propaganda to rile up the zealots.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Not a great sign, if she's going to go out of her way cozy up to him it's back to Uncommitted for me. Certainly don't want to, but I guess we'll see if Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with this.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"She might meet a foreign leader who is doing bad things, so I'm not decided between her and Project 2025."

Really?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I won't support pro-genocide candidates. Yes really.

She really should not be meeting with right-wing fascists.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Meeting with someone ≠ Endorsing them

World politics is about negotiation. I’d rather she tucked into the conflict and tried to improve the situation than ignoring it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're talking to someone who just told me that it wouldn't even make a difference if Trump marched U.S. troops into Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (8 children)

And yet that's almost literally what you said.

https://lemmy.world/comment/11358062

So it's weird that you're calling me deeply dishonest.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It can be endorsing, yes. There's a reason so many democrats are not attending -- going to Netanyahu's speech lends him legitimacy and a greater perception of support.

World politics is about negotiation.

Stopping the genocide doesn't require negotiation, you withhold aid until they stop.

But as I keep saying, Harris will need to find way to signal that her meeting isn't in support of Netanyahu. If she goes in and is giving him hugs and holding his hand up in unity and that kind of bullshit, that's a really bad sign. It can go either way, I'm just stating that I won't support genocide just because it gets a fresh face on it, Harris needs to prove her commitment to holding Netanyahu to account in a real, material way.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anything but voting for Harris would be supporting Trump, an even worse pro-genocide candidate. You can't equate Harris, who's calling for a ceasefire, with Trump, who gave Israel Jerusalem and is telling Israel to keep going with the genocide.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

"Anything but voting for Trump is supporting Harris."

Nonsensical, right?

Biden and Trump are equally bad on genocide, there is no "worse". If Harris chooses to signal she's continuing Biden's genocide support I'm out again. I'm willing to compromise on Harris' generally but nothing has changed in my tolerance for pro-genocide candidates, and nothing ever will.

Luckily not funding genocide is an easy hurdle to cross. We'll see if Harris manages to do it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes but that's the "things are bad (Harris), so might as well make them worse (Trump)" attitude.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No. This is about Democratic support of genocide. I simply won't support any candidate willing to help kill and starve children.

If Dems want my vote the price is the same as it's been; don't support far-right fascists committing genocide.

Very, very low bar.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Bullshit. You'd find some other reason to whine and discourage others from voting. No one's buying your both sides shit.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

"Genocide is bad, so I'm going to support the candidate who supports ultra genocide with extra genocide at home instead"

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you know nothing about Project 2025? It will cause more genocide. Genocide in your country.

Do you want to see Latinos carted away and queer kids committing suicide after being forced into "conversion therapy?" Because that's exactly what Trump will bring.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I won't support genocide in another country to spare myself from potential harm, no, that would be morally bankrupt.

I don't vote based on fear. I can't be threatened in that way.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Yourself? This isn't about you.

How about all the other people? Millions of people. Fuck them? Because she's just having a meeting with the perpetrator of a different genocide on the other side of the planet? A genocide that Trump will also perpetuate and has already said he would make worse?

So essentially your refusal to "support genocide" in another country will make that genocide worse and add more genocide to the mix.

But hey, this is all about sparing you from potential harm, right? Fuck all those illegals and homos.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I am just so relieved that most people seem capable of understanding nuance.

By all means figure out if you can somehow give us a better candidate. But when it's time for you to actually do something real, remember to play the hand you have.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so you're pro fascism and Trump. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm anti-genocide. Biden's policy on Gaza is fascism. It's the same at its core as Project 2025 or any other far right agenda. He's funding the slaughter of innocent human beings.

I'm not far-right, so I won't support it. Hopefully Harris chooses not to as well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

You're not dumb and you've heard it a thousand times I'm sure, but you live in a country with FPtP voting and is therefore a two party system. You know that not voting or voting third party in the general election only benefits Trump. The ONLY chance of things getting better in Israel is if Kamala wins, even if she doesn't do anything, because the alternative is things get worse. Those are facts.

Damn near everyone is anti-genoocide, but most of us realize the reality of the situation. Kamala may make it better over there, Trump will make it worse, and there is no third option. As mentioned there's one option for your vote that isn't pro Trump. Voting for Kamala is the best option for Israel regardless if you think she's doing good enough for your beliefs.

If you disagree, tell me how you think any other vote will help Israel. If it's purely a moral choice, explain how you think it's morally better to turn your back on the problem knowing full well the facts of FPtP, vs voting for the best option that may make things better. The possibility of betterment is better than no possibility at all.

In the worst case scenarios, personally I would rather say, "I voted for Kamala hoping she would improve the situation in Israel which didn't happen" instead of, "I voted third party / didn't vote at all, and Trump made it worse in Israel". At least in one situation, there's a chance.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In her place, Trump would be lauding how great he thinks the US-Israeli alliance is and commit twice as many resources to Israel in the process. Acting like Harris is anywhere near as bad as Trump on the issue of Palestine is either being grossly naive or intentionally deceitful, while not voting for her just because she isn't pro-Palestine enough is counter productive when Trump is far less so.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

You guys are just scrambling to throw stuff at the wall just to see what sticks, aren’t you? Nothing but F.U.D

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wow, seems like that crystal ball of yours is in excellent working order still. How do you keep it working so consistently for so long? Is it the rock polish?

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