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[–] [email protected] 138 points 9 months ago (2 children)

“…unless, y’know, you’re fine with it. Then he was he was definitely serious.”

It’s called a trial balloon.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Exactly. These “jokes” are like a kid “joking” that they want another piece of cake. If you say no, it’s “I was only kidding”, but if you say yes, they’ll eat that cake.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

If you say no, they'll eat the cake when you aren't looking

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein 11 points 9 months ago

And also normalizing it.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Oh yeah, I’m sure he was “joking”. He also doesn’t know anything about project 2025, and he’s not really butt buddies with dictators like kim and pootin.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago (2 children)

it's astounding how vigorously they fellate their bediapered leader muppet, who would throw them under the bus in a fraction of a second

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

He doesn’t even know they exist, they’re the little ants on the ground to him. Pathetic.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He was joking when he literally tried to steal the 2020 election

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

"The what? The Meritage Federation? What did you say? Carriage Fumigation, what? Can't hear you. Never heard of it, is that like a Cracker Barrel thing?"

[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

It’s always a “joke” or his words were “twisted.”

After 9 years of this you’d think he and his team could learn to be careful with their words. But a klansman can’t change his robes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

No those weren't his robes, you must've been mistaken. He was.... uh..... Joking, while he was changing his sheets on the bed.... Definitely that's what it was.

Ignore the fact there was no bed in the room.

/s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Don’t forget ‘locker room talk’. Sometimes it’s that.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fascists are always "just joking", until they're in power.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Yep. Just like they pretend to be interested in "free speech" (for them only, though) until they are in power. Then no more such talk about free speech.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago

Here we go again. Right-wong pundits claiming Trump didn't mean what he said, all the while Trump's out there saying he meant exactly what he said. We've been here before, don't be fooled.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

he continued. “For four years, things were good with President Trump. We had stable prices, a growing economy, peace and stability around the world.”

the covid stuff doesn't count

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago

Nor the crazy inflation, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's horrifying to think that if not for COVID, he probably would have won a second term.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I he had promoted mask wearing and distancing, sold MAGA masks, called it a "war on Corona" and pushed the "American-made" vaccine, it would have been a landslide.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

If not for COVID, the US would've entered a recession anyway but it might have been properly attributed to Trump. He was already badgering the Fed to lower interest rates in 2019, before the disease was even discovered, because of his disastrous tax handout for the wealthy and trade war with China.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yet another example of trump, who allegedly means what he says, needing to be translated because he didn’t really mean what he said.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

yet more doublethink from the party of "but muh states' rights" who want to take away states' rights

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And "but mah freedum" except for women's freedom to protect our bodies from pregnancies.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"It's obviously a joke"

"He tells it like it is"

Pick one

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

It's "It's obviously a joke" if you're a Democrat

It's "He tells it like it is" if you have two brain cells fighting for third place, or easier put, a republikkklown.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t we all predict the republicans would say this?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

i was anticipating the "you'll never have to vote again" thing years ago

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's pretty funny. Cotton and all the other people claiming this are in direct opposition to Trump's explanation. He said they wouldn't need to vote "because the country will be fixed, and frankly, we won't even need your vote anymore."

So he was joking that he'd fix the country? Are people sprouting off before they're getting their talking points?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

it was just a prank bro!!! same as all the raping and frauding and insurrecioning

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

I don't kid

--Donald J. Trump

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

It doesnt even really matter if this was a joke or not. He already rallied a violent insurrection against counting votes. He could say absolutely nothing about overthrowing democracy his entire campaign this year, its still his goal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Cotton says Trump’s ‘you won’t have to vote anymore’ comment was him ‘obviously making a joke’

Cotton says Trump’s ‘you won’t have to vote anymore’ comment was him ‘obviously ~~making~~ being a joke’

ftfy

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

"It's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for him."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Tom Cotton should get slapped so hard that he won't have to chew anymore.

Surely, I must be joking, because that's a horrible thing to say. Even about subhuman worms like Cotton.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

He tells terrible jokes

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

You won’t have to do it anymore...

Cotton: "It's just a prank, bro."

...my beautiful Christians

Cotton: "...totes just a prank, bro."

I am a christian

Cotton: "obvs a prank everybody" (probably)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Oh, hahahaha. Just a joke! Well, then. I'm sure this counts as hilarious to the creepy weirdos like Cotton and donnie.

Sorry if normal Americans will take this kind of thing as most definitely NOT a joke.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

It's a weird joke cotton. Why are all his "jokes" so weird?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

People make jokes all the time. Thomas Crooks was just kidding.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (18 children)

This is absolutely an example of the media - and you, the internet - making the wrong point out of context.

He was speaking to a conservative Christian group making the point that if he were elected he would "fix" it so there wouldn't be any reason for Christians to vote any more. Meaning everything they care so much about would be done. It would be like if a Democrat "fixed" climate change, gun safety, the Supreme Court, consumer protections, health care, etc.

Yes - it's batshit crazy because: (1) they believe he has the power to do everything they want him to do, (2) what they want him to do is unconstitutional, (3) he doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself and even got booed on the same stage for saying he supports limits to abortion, (4) just because the government passes "all" the legislation you support does not mean you should stop participating in democracy.

Was he "joking"? Not the word I would use but I can see how it was chosen.
Does he want to be Supreme Ruler and kill off democratic elections? Possibly.
Was that the intent of this particular sound bite? No.

For me, it's just really frustrating when so much noise is generated, even with good intent, around misinformation. It obscures the things that are really meaningful.

This is a distraction.

The conversation that should be had around this statement is: what exactly is it that Christians want him to do so they'd never have to vote again.

A responsible journalist would take his statement and investigate what it means. Instead, what we get are headlines that generate an emotional reaction so we click on sites that profit not from educating the public but from serving advertisements.

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Edit: Here's an example of what I'm talking about. Raw Story states that "the comment raised alarms that Trump was hinting he would refuse to leave office, or cancel elections." and fails to actually put the statement in context or offer a reasonable explanation for it. Instead of explaining that Trump was offering a campaign promise to Christians, they look at whether he would leave office at the end of his term - entirely unrelated and frankly difficult for me to wrap my head around the jump. "Raw Story", ironically, fails to link to a source for their article.

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Raw Story: Trump scrambles to explain what he meant that voting won't be necessary in four years.

Former President Donald Trump triggered outrage when he told supporters at an event in Florida last week if he's elected, “You won’t have to do it anymore."

"Four years, it will be fixed, it will be fine," he said. "You won’t have to vote anymore. In four years, you won’t have to vote again.”

The comment raised alarms that Trump was hinting he would refuse to leave office, or cancel elections.

In an interview with Fox News' Laura Ingraham on Monday, Trump tried to clarify his words a bit, and walk back any possible implication of that.

You won't have to vote in four years, he said, "because the country will be fixed, and frankly, we won't even need your vote anymore."

"I thought everybody understood it," Trump added.

Ingraham proceeded to ask him if he would leave office voluntarily after four years. "I did last time," said Trump. "I keep hearing it, he's not going to leave, he's not going to leave. Look, they are the threat to democracy."

Trump was at the center of a scheme to deny the certification of President Joe Biden's election victory in 2020, which culminated in a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol. Trump is currently under federal indictment and state indictment in Georgia over these efforts. Both cases are on hold until after the election.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (23 children)

LOL i was wondering when someone would play the "oUt Of CoNtExT" card. this comment reminds me of christians who try to spin "turn the other cheek" to mean "shoot them in the face" iN tHe RiGhT cOnTeXt

gtfo

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don’t understand why you’re jumping through logical hoops to defend this imagined context.

You’re claiming that he is more likely to be saying “once legislation is passed, voting is no longer necessary” (which is literally never how this country’s version of democracy has ever worked or ever should) than he is to be saying “once I’m in power I will reduce/remove the efficacy of voting” (which is something he has clearly supported in the past and is pretty much the entire Republican goal)?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

It's just a prank bruh.

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