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“Half of the Israeli public is no longer in favor of the war,” one friend told me Saturday night as we witnessed thousands of Israelis take to the streets to protest the Israeli government under the slogan, “Elections Now.” “Yes, but the other half is all-in, and REALLY in favor,” responded his wife. “And they are the more powerful group.”

She, of course, is right. For months, reports of torture and rape have emerged from Israel’s military base turned torture camp, Sde Teiman, where Israel has imprisoned thousands of Palestinians without charge. I wrote about it in a previous diary earlier this month. Palestinians who have emerged from this torture camp refer to it as the “slaughterhouse” with horrendous tales of torture, rape, abuse, and sleep deprivation being meted out by Israeli prison guards. Nearly 30 Palestinians have died while in Sde Teiman and other prisons, according to the information provided to date.

And while the precise chain of events is unclear, what we do know is that the Israeli military advocate general decided to dispatch the military police to question nine Israeli soldiers on suspicion of gang-raping and sodomizing a Palestinian man from Gaza at Sde Teiman. The man was rushed to the hospital where he exhibited signs of rape, including a ruptured bowel and broken ribs. It would be a mistake to simply think that Israel’s actions in prisons like Sde Teiman came only after October. Since becoming Israel’s national security minister in 2022, ultranationalist Itamar Ben Gvir has made prisons his target, with him authorizing abuse against Palestinians. He has also called for the death penalty to solve problems of overcrowding.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My tax dollars can't be used to provide universal health care here in America, but they will go to support this, and there's nothing I can do about it.

That's depressing.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

there's nothing I can do about it

There is something we can do, but it takes unity, courage, willingness/resolve to suffer the consequences, regardless of the results. The first and last components are the hardest to muster, but they can be mustered. Time will tell.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Protesting against Israel in the USA quickly gets you pepper sprayed and beaten. This isn’t some theoretical.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

And? People died to give us a 40 hour work week and voting rights, for some of us. The 40 hour week is gone and voting rights are shrinking. And neither major party is doing anything but moving miles right, economically. Socially left seems to be throwing a bone, while so many of us are overworked, underpaid, and still couch surfing, living rough and sick or dying. We have hard choices to make.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

And Kamala is poised to choose one of the biggest zionists in the democratic party as her running mate..

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Kamala isn't a Zionist. Did you watch her speech she made recently after meeting Netanyahu? And Israel is pissed about what she said! That tells you all you need to know

Edit: no really, watch it. I can tell you haven't 😚

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (16 children)

Respectfully, what matters more to you: a politician's words or their deeds?

I'd wager my life savings that Kamala, once elected, will go back on her word and support funding for Israel, just as every president has done even as Israel has become more and more of an apartheid.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's the best chance we've ever had. It would be foolish to punish her for stepping forward on this issue. It would just reinforce the status quo. If she goes back on it we're just in the same situation. But it's also possible that she actually holds Netanyahu accountable. She's the only choice that's even talked about doing that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (11 children)

It's possible, but given how presidents have ruled over the last 40 years, exceedingly unlikely. POTUS candidates on the campaign trail make a lot of promises they have no intention of keeping.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You mean when she said she will defend israel and uncontionally support israel after israel bombed Lebanon two days ago?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Vote for her! she will stop the genocide, trust me bro

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You mean like her advocating for an immediate ceasefire, withdrawal of Israel's military from Gaza entirely, and opening advocating for a two state solution? Which royally pissed off Israel? Remember that?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

No I don't remember that can you link that first claim to me?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I saw her release condeming protestors and calling them Hamas supporters.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

If she picks Shapiro as a runningmate she’s signaling that she actually is a zionist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

She is going to choose Josh Shipiro as her running mate. He is a massive Zionist who brought a anti-BDS lawsuit against Ben and Jerry's for refusing to sell their ice cream in Israel's illegal settlements.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When I first heard about the riots I was thinking “finally, they’re reacting to something as egregious as rape”… you can only imagine the whiplash heartbreak I had when I found out they were rioting for it.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Agreed.

It's tragedy with compounding interest, and as an American, I'm more than a little ashamed that my country is aiding and abetting it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This whole thing has been so mask-off for Israel. I used to think that BDS was a distraction, that "Israel has right to defend itself" that "it's the only real democracy in the middle east" etc. Now I know there is no space between Israel and Putin's Russia. These are the bad guys. Full stop.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Agreed.

Israel is a democracy in the American sense, meaning we'll bring you freedom at the end of a nuclear warhead.

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[–] RamblingPanda 42 points 9 months ago

He has also called for the death penalty to solve problems of overcrowding

Completely normal thing to call for, nothing to see here. A lot of countries do that with their animal shelters. I do think it's wrong, but it's ... Wait, we're talking about human beings here. What the duck?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Lol no media bias checker bot here? Wonder why

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago

https://zeteo.com/about

I doubt this’ll matter to you, but Zeteo is a new media company made up of highly respected journalists. They’re already doing excellent work.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This community isn't ran by Zionists like /news and /worldnews.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

because the bot allows some third party to define the overton window?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I blocked it. It was extremely annoying.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Gvir has also called for the death penalty to solve problems of overcrowding.

Reinhard Heydrich opened the Wansee Conference announcing it was too expensive to keep the ghettos open which informed the Jewish Problem but he and Eichmann had been testing a new solution.

Never again

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