Firefox works great.
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download firefox
look inside
80% of mozilla revenue is from google
You can't escape
Even if the Mozilla foundation went bankrupt tomorrow, Firefox would persist. It might not be as quick to update, but it’s an open source project that people will keep working on, regardless of the money.
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Who cares where the revenue comes from? There's no google spyware in there, and it's competition, that's what really matters.
I just don't like that we're relying on the goodwill (or need for token "competition" to try to avoid antitrust) of Google for Mozilla to stick around, an ad company shouldn't be de facto controlling almost every single browser
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There are two browsers, chrome and FF.
Three if you count Webkit/Safari
I don't think I can install it on my android phone, so I don't count it
Though the engine is still being actively worked on to provide android support https://blogs.igalia.com/jani/bringing-webkit-back-to-android/
IIRC the Steam browser also uses WebKit tho
Me doing my online banking using the Steam browser in Big Picture mode
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> downloads desktop app
> looks inside
> it's a webpage with a dedicated browser
(Web 2.0 and it's consequences...)
Why even make a desktop app at this point? I get doing that if it has some inherent advantage over the web version, but why go through the trouble of making another program if it's just gonna be the same but in electron?
A few advantages.
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You can make app specific notifications.
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You can stop worrying about security since you just lock the electron version
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The user thinks it is an actual app and that this is better.
Example with Discord (a website and an electron app): You have to download the desktop app to have stuff like: game activity (show others what game you are playing), global hotkeys for stuff like muting microphone, local Krisp noise cancellation
Why I dislike web apps. They make the devs lazy enough to not bother making a native app
I switched to Firefox because of Googlea plans to stop adblockers.
I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn't have the Chrome crap in it.
Vivaldi contains Chromium, but it isn't itself open-source, by the way.
They say of themselves that "for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit". I would not fully agree with that either, but I guess, at that point the open-source purists have already lost interest anyways.
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/
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download Librewolf
Look inside
It's Firefox but with good defaults and configs
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My opinion I'd say lose chrome if you absolutely need a chromium browser use thorium any other time use Firefox or a fork of it like Librewolf.
The reason I say Thorium is because this is in the readme.
Manifest V2 support force enabled (Starting in M128 they are experimenting with disabling MV2). It will be completely removed in M136 (10 months from now), and when they finally do remove the actual code for loading MV2 extensions, it will be restored, because F**k Google! Even if it takes a crapload of work, I am determined to restore it, because without UBlock Origin working properly in Thorium, I wouldn't even want to use my own browser!
Mozilla Corp's Gecko Engine has allowed several non-corporate flavored browsers into existence, such as various forks on their github or Waterfox.
Then if you dont mind slow speeds you can try Tor Browser.
What's preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it's a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites' server and display its files right? You can't tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?
It's possible. But it's a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it'd take you days before having written a single line of code.
Then you need to write all that in a performant way.
Then you need to keep up with all the new features.
Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.
Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.
You can. But it'll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.
I mean, we did it with Linux and it didn't cost billions...
Just the combined efforts of thousands of people. Mostly in their spare time.
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Because they're giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don't see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.
a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?
In software engineering "just" is often considered a dirty word.
Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.
Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.
Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.
Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.
There's also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.
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Firefox and Forks, or perish.
Qutebrowser and (maybe, haven't tried) Falkon can use qtwebkit as a backend
luakit, surf, otter, epiphany, badwolf, vimb use gtkwebkit
lynx, links, elinks, w3m, netsurf use their own browser engines
there's also 😒 f*refox 😒 and its forks, if you need cancer like css, js, webrtc, or wasm
cancer like css and js
what kind of websites are you visiting that don't use either of those?
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I can understand the objections to wasm and even JS, but CSS? c’mon bro…
But what about mobile? I started using FF and I have to admit that Chrome is a better mobile experience. Brave isn't for me either.
Edit: lol I'm sorry my experience doesn't match yours and I chose to ask a question.
Chrome doesn't support browser extensions so it is an awful experience for me
Same, curious what issues they have in FF, I only know of a couple sites that don't work right in FF mobile
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