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Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; 'The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,' says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages' location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 169 points 7 months ago (10 children)

These people might have been alive if we had a ceasefire. But no, Netanyahu's political career is more important.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 91 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They could have had all the hostages back in October. Hamas just wanted back the hostages that Israel holds.

And again, they could have had all the hostages back in May.

Netanyahu seems committed to genocide and the hostages are collateral damage.

It's deranged and I am ashamed our western leaders are cheerleading this.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 43 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Hamas didn't just want hostages back in October, but let's not get derailed, yes it's true that the Israelis could have stopped the war at many occasions.

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[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Some Palestinian children and international aid workers are going to pay dearly for this.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (7 children)

There's apparently a very rancorous debate in Israeli politics right now about accepting a ceasefire and a lot of people are angry that they're not making more concessions to get a ceasefire.

It's blatantly clear that Netanyahu has no desire to rescue the hostages.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 131 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So says the IDF, anyway. I'll believe it when someone independent confirms it.

[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 93 points 7 months ago (5 children)

It's no mental stretch to believe idf would kill their own to further the genocide agenda.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago (6 children)

What the actual fuck are you talking about. Hamas murders people all the fucking time, posting videos of their brutal murders etc. proudly online. IDF has no interest in killing hostages, it does not help them, it can only backfire.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I mean I also don't think they're killing hostages (intentionally, anyway), but to say it's not in their interest is wrong.

[–] maniii@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Netanyahu and the Likud? Right-wing party of Israel weren't they found to have funneled money and funds and weapons and all kinds of shit to support Hamas activities just to maintain their control over the state of Israel?

Either way, the Region is FSCKed beyond belief. And the CCPPCC and Russia have more fingers in more of the Mid-East Asia pie just as much as Europe/America.

No foreseeable workable solution for next 10 years.

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[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

These people are all kinds of dumb fucking idiots living in a fairy tale where Hamas are the poor oppressed good guys

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (29 children)

I'm telling you that if, say, Canada came and occupied my home town, forced everyone out, and killed my family, that I'd definitely be an anti Canadian terrorist.

Addition: How is this being downvoted. Violence begets terrorists. Have we learned nothing from historical US intervention in the middle east? This is Israel's "War on Terror" and its going to end the same way. Tons of dead brown people and many many more terrorists.

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Considering they already have, multiple times, I guess I could agree with you

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it seems more the IDF is just shooting literally anything human-shaped. Aid workers, friendlies, journalists, civilians, in addition to the odd actual "guy actually shooting at us".

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[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago

After all, if the hostages are already dead no need for a ceasefire.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 97 points 7 months ago (1 children)

says army spokesperson Hagari

99% chance that it's either a complete fabrication or a distortion of the truth when an IDF spokesperson is the ONLY source. Let's see if anyone even remotely reliable confirms the story.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 41 points 7 months ago (7 children)

While I agree with you that independent verification is mandatory in situations like this, I also believe that once you get that verification, your position will not change. You have only given yourself a 1% chance of changing your stance, which means, in my opinion, that the only refuge you are offering yourself is conspiracism if and when you are proven wrong.

I suspect the conspiracy will be "Israel killed the hostages themselves."

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

once you get that verification, your position will not change.

False.

You have only given yourself a 1% chance of changing your stance

No. I have given a very generous 1% chance of something said ONLY by an IDF spokesperson being the unvarnished truth. The concurrence of other sources would of course dramatically increase that chance, especially if any of them are themselves very reliable.

in my opinion, that the only refuge you are offering yourself is conspiracism if and when you are proven wrong.

That's a very weird way to guess wrong.

I suspect the conspiracy will be "Israel killed the hostages themselves"

Wouldn't be the first time or the last. That's not a conspiracy theory at this point, though, just what's most likely given the past behavior of all of the factions involved 🤷

I'm reserving final judgment until people of greater reliability than the likes of Donald Trump, Baghdad Bob, or Alex Jones chime in, though.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't see how automatically trusting the captors until proven otherwise is already evidence of how much you have embraced conspiricism?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago (35 children)

I'm not saying that I trust Hamas. For the record, I don't.

I'm just saying that I don't trust the IDF either, infamous as they are for being caught lying constantly.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 61 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (30 children)

What a terrible article. What is the source or evidence the hostages were executed? People are saying it’s a claim by the IDF but it’s not even attributed to them. From reading the article I have no idea who is making this claim or how it is supported. That’s not how journalism works.

So much angst about unreliable sources here, but we’re letting this fly?

Edit: Here is a better summary of the available source information. It is coming from the IDF, but they haven’t really said much other than it was obvious to them Hamas was the culprit. We’ll have to see what further information they release.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-hostages-hersh-netanyahu-29496f50a9b1740bd3905035ffd23052

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

with how happy the IDF has been with killing the hostage themselves so far, I have a hard time believing it. Could it have happened? Sure. Did it? Since the IDF says it did, it's much more likely that it didn't.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)

"Hamas could never do something like this. Kidnap and take hostages? Sure. But they would never cross this line. They are the good guys."

Fuck off.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (8 children)

not what I said at all. you fuck off and learn to read first.

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago

"Hostages found bludgeoned to death with rubble in tunnel that was liberated by IDF bombs."

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 42 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible.

Then apparently a ceasefire isn’t “possible”. STFU, Hagari.

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[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Israeli spokesperson had this to say "When we forced people to live in slums and ghetto's we thought they would act like our ancestors, and we could just slaughter them. I guess that's not how genocide always works. But we with will keep trying no matter how many innocent children die! Because when the victims stands up for themselves, we lose, and the Zionism cult doesn't allow for that."

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[–] Neon@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago (22 children)

absolutely love how tankies in here are somehow turning this around to be Israels fault

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Apparently nowadays anybody who's not a full blown Genocidal ethno-Fascist who approves when "their" people mass murder "human animal" children is a tankie.

It's like how anything left of center used to be deemed Communism in America, with the main difference that this is the ethno-Fascist (the most far-right violent kind of ideology there is) version so anything less than strong approval of ethnic Genocide is deemed Tankie.

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[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When the IDF rescued the only 4 hostages they did, they killed 300+ mostly women and kids including some more of their own hostages.

So that's why probably it was a no brainer for Hamas to indeed just execute them as soon as they figured they would be found, to save the lives of hundrends of innocents

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 21 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Why would the IDF's response be weaker if the hostages are dead?

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago (6 children)

We need clear good guys and bad guys, so if the IDF is the bad guys (which they certainly are) well that means Hamas must be the good guys (which they certainly are not) and thus this has to be some noble effort.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago (16 children)

The hostages seem like the only bargaining chip they have (not that it's much of a bargaining chip), so I'm surprised they're doing it. Maybe they've decided that it isn't worth it.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I put as much faith in this as I do the hospital tunnel story.

Anything the IDF says is to be treated as bunk without at least 2 corroborating sources. The IDF lies like they breathe, so I'm more willing to assume they killed the hostages to make Hamas look bad than anything they actually say.

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[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 28 points 7 months ago (5 children)
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