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[–] [email protected] 84 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's almost as if racism is inherently illogical.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I mean not really. If you think about it from an evolutionary standpoint it's perfectly logical.

Outside groups are dangerous. That's true even within racial groups. Now add that not only are they outsiders they don't look anything like your group. That's another layer of outsiders being dangerous. Not only are they outsiders but they don't look like you.

It's a leftover piece of evolution that helped humans survive. Protect your own and everyone else can get fucked. Especially if they're different.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hate is learned, not inherent.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fear of the unknown is almost universal in our species.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fear is inherent, but not hate. Racism is hate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fear is one bad incident away from hate.

I'm not disagreeing that racism is wrong. It's abhorrent and a gleaming example of the fact our species hasn't evolved outside of technology.

But it's ridiculously easy to be racist. It's so fuckin easy it's crazy. It's like getting addicted to drugs. One instance is all it could take. One bad experience.

This is coming from someone who used to be racist. Because my first experience with a black person as a child was horrible. A grown ass man screaming at a child due to a misunderstanding but I was white so I had to be a racist.

It took a long time to get over that and realize why it happened but in between all I could think was black people are mean bastards because they think all white people are racist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fear is one bad incident away from hate.

Sure. But that doesn't mean it is a logical from an evolutionary standpoint.

It took a long time to get over that and realize why it happened but in between all I could think was black people are mean bastards because they think all white people are racist.

I am glad you got past that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Sure. But that doesn't mean it is a logical from an evolutionary standpoint.

That's exactly what it means.

If you're already terrified of something and then something bad happens because of that something it's going to create resentment and therefore hatred.

Fear and hate follow the same vein. It's easy to hate what you fear simply because it makes you afraid.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

You're giving "race" as an arbitrary social construct special status above other characteristics. Height, hair color, etc.

You're presupposing that race is more significant than these.

Furthermore, the flexibility of racial terms like "white" to include or exclude people like Italians and Irish over the decades also goes to show that it's arbitrary and malleable.

Like religion, it's just been a tool for political control. Conservatives love in groups and out groups, this is just the common one of the day.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Dude, just say you’re afraid of black people and leave the rest of us humans out of it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

It's almost as if people from the 60's needed an absolutely ridiculous metaphor to drive home how illogical racism is. Reminds me of the Hutu vs Tutsi scene from Hotel Rwanda.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Kirk is applying common sense to an allegory made to illustrate a point. Bad writer. No cookie.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The mirror is also an allegory.

Whether righteous or unwarranted, hate is hate. And acting in hate is just that, acting in hate, no matter your reason.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The mirror is also an allegory.

You can't mix allegories. It's like crossing proton pack streams.

Whether righteous or unwarranted, hate is hate. And acting in hate is just that, acting in hate, no matter your reason.

I know. I WATCHED THE EPISODE.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

You had me with absurdist comparative logic, you should have stopped there.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

IDK, it's been a long time since I watched the episode but isn't that literally the point? That any amount of critical thinking makes their views make no sense?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe I'm explaining myself badly. I agree with you, it's literally the point. But the characters aren't supposed to lampshade it. The viewer is meant to get it on their own.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

The thing is, they had to beat everyone over the head with it because that was the only way it was going to get past the executives. They didn't want controversial things on TV in the 60s.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I don't know... racists also hate what they see in the mirror

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That one black crew member on the bridge listening to this conversation ...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Upon further reflection, the Cheronians became the only species known to the federation to commit self-genocide by mass suicide as a result of irreconcilable cognitive dissonance.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

♬ I'm starting with the man in the mirror

I'm asking him to change his face ♬

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're from the mirror universe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Imagine a whole universe of mirrors...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Wasn't that a Dr. Strange movie?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Have you never been to a county fair?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Imagine a universe where mirrors didn't exist in its' multiverse...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Maybe they hate mirrors too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Maybe they do but wouldn't they still see that they had their right side black unlike those disgusting white side right side?

I don't look in the mirror and think I'm left handed

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

It's like in the Rick and Morty show. Civil war because of different nipples. And it's not far from reality (e.g. pigmentation or small cultural differences).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the discomfort of looking at the person on the other side of the mirror, with their hate, sadness, and confusion, is part of what fuels their hatred.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Have they tried looking at the man in the mirror and asking him to change his ways?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Message not clear; some man in the mirror is now telling me to change my ways, and now they're angry and crying and it's making me uncomfortable and feel alone. The man in the mirror said the world would be a better place if I changed, but why can't they change? After all, they sure don't seem like a good person, you can see it in their face. Disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The thing is you've got to get it right while you've got the time. That's why it's so hard.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Once upon a time they had mirrors. But with the rise of political extremism and divisiveness, they replaced all mirrors with camera-based digital displays so they could flip the image and see their true selves represented, not some distorted atrocity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So Roddy Piper was just TOS cosplaying

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Mirrors outside the mirror universe? It wouldn't be a mirror universe if mirrors existed elsewhere too