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[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

One: 65 years, while long, is not "multiple life sentences." Two: The 65 years was shortly thereafter reduced to 55 years, though I am not finding any details on why. That 55 years was 30 for felony murder and 25 for burglary and theft (???), consecutively. Three: Body cam shows A'Donte Washington charging the officer with a drawn weapon, so this does not appear to be a case of abuse of force. Four: A later court changed those to run concurrently, making it an effective 30 years. In this hearing, the victim's own father made a statement that Smith did not deserve to be charged with his son's death. Five: This screenshot is dated less than a week after the original sentencing.

Other notes: There were five teens involved in this burglary, Smith was the only one who did not take a plea deal. The day before this burglary, Smith and others were involved in the murder of another man. The stolen car used in the burglary came from yet another murder. I have to think it was a difficult argument for the defense to make, that Smith "did not intend to hurt anyone." The prosecution surely had an easier time framing this in terms of "Smith was at least present when someone was murdered the day before [it may have been a short time, hours, since the earlier murder was "around midnight" and I don't see what time of day the later burglary occurred]. He had to know that continuing to commit crimes with the same group of people could end with death, and still pressed on."

Whatever your opinion about this situation, you will be better served by presenting it alongside a more complete and accurate respresentation of facts than this screenshot of a tweet contains.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

We need more people like you.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I appreciate this more than you know. Thank you.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Thanks for the context but a court shouldn't be considering things they haven't been convicted for unless it's part of the matter before the court.

Also it doesn't matter if the police shooting was justified. Charging this guy with the police shooting is, and always has been, fucked up.

65 years is 3 life sentences in the normal world. That's not a normal sentence for burglary outside authoritarian countries.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's the felony murder rule. You intend the foreseeable consequences of your actions. Police shooting your accomplice in an armed robbery is certainly a foreseeable consequences of armed robbery. It's one of the reasons doing armed robberies is illegal.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

a court shouldn't be considering things they haven't been convicted for unless it's part of the matter before the court.

They didn't consider it in the trial to determine his innocence or guilt, which carries a reasonable doubt standard. They considered it at sentencing, which falls under a an abuse of discretion standard. Basically anything can be relevant at sentencing. It's up the the judge to weigh the evidence, and the judge must give appropriate weight to uncharged crimes (probably not much, certainly not as much as convicted crimes). Ever read a pre sentencing report? It's the convict's entire life story. All of it gets considered. Should the court not consider whether someone has a family or deep community ties because they weren't convicted have having a family or deep community ties?

A rigid sentencing rubric that allows no discretion, to me, is the fascist approach to sentencing.

This sentence seems long for the kid's age, but that's Alabama. Vote.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

A rigid sentencing rubric that allows no discretion, to me, is the fascist approach to sentencing.

For lesser crimes, I can agree, but felony stuff. I think it should be more rigid.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Body cam shows A’Donte Washington charging the officer with a drawn weapon,

Unsurprisingly there's no footage of this other person in that link. Not that that would justify putting an innocent person in a cage.

There were five teens involved in this burglary, Smith was the only one who did not take a plea deal.

Why would anyone take a plea deal for a murder that they didn't commit? The real problem here is this scam of forcing people into plea deals by threatening them with insane punishments in a fundamentally unjust system. It's gross when people act like refusing a "deal" is some kind of guilt. It's mostly likely the opposite.

The day before this burglary...

That's irrelevant to the cop murdering this kid.

... Smith and others were involved in the murder of another man.

Even if this were relevant, did this even happen? Your article is from 2016 says nothing about Lekeith being convicted.

More generally it's amazing how "normal" people are brainwashed enough to post this kind of copaganda word salad.

There's no "opinion" here. Teenagers shouldn't be convicted for murders committed by cops. It's that simple.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's really important to know the details because it's the details that allow us to parse and challenge injustice effectively.

Knowing the context of Felony Murder and how it applies to this sentencing is not saying 'this is fine then, no worries'. Rather, it means we can actually talk about the systematic issues in the legal system that enable things like this.

The comment you replied to was in no way 'word salad' or 'copaganda', it was context.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Whatever your opinion about this situation, you will be better served by presenting it alongside a more complete and accurate respresentation of facts than this screenshot of a tweet contains.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is not a trial.

And the wall of text dumped above doesn't make it one, either.

Police murdering someone and blaming others is the discussion. Save the rest for your L2 seminar discussion.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Police murdering someone

Shooting someone who is charging you while armed is not murder, dope.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Here's another one:

1 you shouldn't be charged with a murder you didn't commit.

I feel like that one is super important here.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

A lot of people here are discovering felony murder for the first time.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Also seems to be a lack of understanding that just cause you didn't pull the trigger doesn't mean you didn't help create the scenario where a trigger got pulled.

I'm not sure I agree with all instances of felony murder (like when it's an accomplice who dies), but the general notion is you participated in the events that lead to this person's death.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I think the problem is the sentencing can get out of hand.

In this case 30 years is still more than most other countries would give, but its not outrageous like america usually is.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Based on what I was reading, I think they may have thrown the book at all of them because this was the third incident (possibly murder?) this group was involved in that week.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah and it was appealed down as far as sentencing went. Wild story isnt it. Not what I would choose as an example of a miscarriage of justice.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Lets say I along with a number of others bought drugs from a dude who used that money to buy more drugs to sell and some of those drugs killed someone.

Is everyone that bought from them responsible?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You've got a break in events (going to buy more drugs). However, if you buy someone drugs and they die from them you can be found culpable!

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Whatever your opinion about this situation, you will be better served by presenting it alongside a more complete and accurate respresentation of facts than this screenshot of a tweet contains.

is it possible to fit this level of nuance in a headline?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

perhaps reading past the headline is recommended

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Have you met people before?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

So you're telling me they give the police incentive to shoot people, as a game, to send people to jail for even longer, because they think it's fun and hilarious?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Felony Murder is a bitch, just like whoever wrote that headline.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Have you considered that maybe felony murder is fascist bullshit and the headline writer is completely correct to call it out?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

They chose to commit a crime together, then they got into a shootout with police.

The responsibility lies with the people who chose to commit the crime in the first place.

Breaking and entering is stupid dangerous, they knew that. Thats why they had a gun.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

all-white jury

Since he admits he was guilty under the terms of the law I don't see how this is possibly relevant. Are we knowing he is guilty supposed to think they were biased for finding him guilty?

LaKeith was non-violent

Breaking into homes with a gun to shoot the home owner if things get dicey isn't non-violent. Invading people's home is inherently violent

offered him a plea deal of “only” 25 years.

Which would have seen him potentially out in 20 a man of 35

LaKeith, being a child with a life ahead of him, declined the plea deal and exercised his constitutional right to a trial.

It is absolutely his right but it was also fucking stupid.

It is likely that if LaKeith had been tried as a juvenile and/or tried appropriately for the burglary, he would be free today.

Are we assuming this is a good thing. He broke into a home with a gunman ready to murder the occupant. What sort of man is he now?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

your lack of awareness of how plea deals and intimidation and dishonesty around them are actively weaponized against accused, with disproportionate impacts on minorities, is apparent. In addition, the all-white jury is always worth mentioning, and hand-waiving of its particular importance to the outcome is screening for white supremacy. It is off the bat not a jury of his peers, and that it turned up like that regardless of the outcome is criminal. It almost never is a proportionally-representative jury of one's peers when it is a black person charged with a crime. And there is a long, and deliberately-racist legacy and history why that is.

"ready to murder" is grotesque and malicious falsehood from the information provided. I didn't see anything implying the people whose houses were broken into were caused any bodily harm nor that being the intent from the robbers least of all the 15 year old kid they threw the book at for his friend dying in a shootout. Most people who have weapons to rob are not intending to kill anyone, only intimidate for compliance, or be prepared if they are met with lethal force so they don't end up dying themselves (while explicitly hoping that does not happen, because robbers/muggers are there to get money or jewels or electronics or whatever, not kill or die). If they intended to kill the people they robbed, which was a few houses broken into, those people robbed would be dead. Instead, the cops themselves got into a firefight with a friend of the 15 year old kid who they threw the book at, who himself didn't shoot anyone and was cowering in a bush. There is a reason there are different crimes regarding armed robbery vs breaking and entering vs different homicide types and degrees, etc. Not that you seem to care much.

"What sort of man is he now?" what kind of chauvinist colonialist celebratory rhetoric is that? Gross. You sound indistinguishable from MAGA people about stuff like this.

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