The russian army is entirely bound in its invasion into Ukraine. If it weren't for the threat of nuclear annihilation, NATO would get to Moscow within 3 days. A true 3-day military operation.
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Even with nuclear annihilation, NATO could still get to Moscow in a three day operation. It's just a question of which cities back home are still standing.
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Moscow is not the big prize you might think it is. Russia can just retreat hundreds of kilometers further east and carry on.
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NATO can do the thunder run, but they are not equipped to win a massive land war in Asia. You really gotta listen to the Sicilian from Princess Bride on this one.
Russia can just retreat hundreds of kilometers further east and carry on.
Into what, a wasteland full of snow and bears? Russia might be massive, but it works like Canada. Everybody is huddled into very specific regions for a reason.
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If nukes started popping off, there'd be zero reason to send in ground forces until it was all over. Lastly, I'm not convinced Russia's nuclear program is much better off than NATO's. So many interviews with nuke watch officers talking about how old and decrepit our silos are. The DoD supposedly approved a modernization package a few years ago for all of them, but I'm still skeptical how efficient the targeting is on everything and how well they'll avoid missile defense systems.
None of the current ICBM platforms were designed for missile defense. Missile defense simply did not exist at the time.
Sentinel is busting its budget because it's renovating and rebuilding all of the ground segments: all of those decrepit silos and computer systems. It's still money well spent in my opinion.
Missile guidance is not a computationally hard problem, and it hasn't changed much since the 50s. Terminal missile defense is a fantastically hard problem, and wasn't mastered until the last decade or two. And the current generation missile defense capabilities still haven't all been demonstrated in combat.
Having said that, I would generally expect NATO's missiles to work as advertised in a hot war. And I would plan for Russia's missiles to be somewhat less effective than they advertise, but still a credible threat.
All valid and fair points.
Regardless, I truly hope we never have to find out either way. The human species is capable of incredible things if we just set aside historical, cultural, and petty differences and worked towards a common goal of lifting everyone up. Wars of aggression are barbaric and unnecessary and I hope one day we all mentally evolve past such tendencies for mass violence. It's a naive pipe dream, but one can always dream.
It's difficult to counter a MIRV regardless of how old it is.
Moscow is not the big prize you might think it is
Nobody has ever considered Russia a prize, or at least nobody that wasn't a complete idiot.
It's a festering shithole full of Russians, a nuke would improve it dramatically.
Nobody wants to win a war in Russia, but nobody has to.
Knock out Moscow, the rest of Russia hates them and will fracture instantly.
Many beautiful women that never smile.
I hate jingoistic bullshit. 3days? How many years were we in Afghanistan?
Ukraine troops are battle hardened and have NATO tanks and weapons. They are holding on but territory changes are tiny. Modern war isn't WW2 blitzkrieg.
third times the charm right?
Then what? Let us not fall into the Iraq trap
Is anyone, anywhere in the West afraid of this happening?
It might just be time to shut them the fuck up for good.
You corner a rat they will do anything to survive. You want all out war with Russia and to roll the dice on Putin launching the nukes?
If the alternative to "the nukes" is "gets steamrolled the old fashioned way" anyway, it's not really an alternative.
BTW, they really so desperate to survive?
GO THE FUCK HOME!!!
Staying in Ukraine is just begging for everyone else to revisit all the genocides they've inflicted on others, like Armenia, Ukraine, poles, the list is endless.
I think a lot of those people would love to lay hands-on Russian citizens right now, for old times sake.
It's so delicious to watch karma unfold in real time to someone who so deserves it.
This is like a man trying to defend murder by saying you were just trying to rape her but she resisted.
They are a rat, I'm not afraid of a rat, we are going to stomp this rat's head into mush.
The rat can hiss and threaten all it wants, it went too far and there is no alternative, we put up with the rat shitting all over us for far too long.
I'm slightly worried about the really big guns russia supposedly have, but only slightly. At this point, it's not like there's a big red "launch" button on putin's desk; it'd have to go through a few people that may have the actual big picture in their mind.
We bought those people off decades ago, all their yachts, townhouses and other decent shit is as far from Russia as possible.
But if they see they can back us down and let them invade a country by waving nukes, they will be greatly encouraged to do so again, the cost/benefit ratio is far too high, they're getting something for literally nothing.
This is exactly how world wars start.
Maybe the word "directly" didn't translate well. If Russia engages NATO directly, their forces will be wiped off the map. Ukraine is using old NATO equipment from the 90s that was pulled out of storage and kicking all kinds of Russian ass. Direct NATO involvement would mean carrier groups, F35s, stealth bombers, and a whole lot of other fun things the Russians have zero answer for.
Good, fuck you Putin.
So he's currently struggling against just Ukraine but he's warning us that he could end up facing the whole of NATO?
Ok 👍
Didn't he already repeatedly claim that he's fighting directly with the West?
Even in his own words what would this change?
Do eeeitttt. Russia is already invaded by Ukraine with no direct participation of NATO. Let's see how they do against actual NATO planes, tanks, ships and soldiers.
Bring it you ruskie coward.
And here is the moment it sails over everyone's head that this is exactly the same claim for Palestine that many are claiming occurs when the US sells weapons to Israel.
Weird.
I always have to preface this by saying I am by no means a Putin apologist, but just follow the money. America loves a war no matter where it is. And why? Because we gotta sell all these bombs and missiles to someone…
I can understand how the guidance systems being still controlled by NATO satellites/support mechanisms would be considered a different level for them, but is it just more sabre rattling? That's the question.