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    [–] ptz@dubvee.org 130 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Saving this for when people ask why I need root access on my devices.

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 73 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Lol I love the "You don't need root on modern Android, it does all the things you used to root for!" People. No, no it doesn't lmao

    [–] doctortran@lemm.ee 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    That's generally what you hear from people who have basic use cases and simply can't fathom other people may want or need different things from their devices.

    Which is fine, they don't have to understand. If stock is good enough for them nowadays, more power to them.

    What I'm sick of is the condescension. This bizarre thing where they somehow think a person wanting control over a device they paid for is worthy of derision or shame.

    It's like if someone who only checks their email on their laptop laughing at someone using a desktop for heavier work, for no real reason other than thinking using technology differently than themselves is silly.

    That other comment is a perfect example, and indictive of this weird subculture in Android spaces that hates Google but seems to be drinking from the same user-hostile Kool aid.

    Personally, I'm an odd case, in that I didn't used to root or use custom ROMs at all until recent years. Basically since Android 10, simply to get around the needless roadblocks and restore the functions I want. I was fine with stock for a long time, until Google started becoming Apple.

    [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    "People"

    There are dozens of you, dozens I say!

    https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1587912474002542592

    150k users out of billions devices.

    Y'all really dig into these bubbles. 99.99975% of Android users agree, yes user space is fine.

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

    Are you saying because Graphene is unrootable and 150k choose it means user space is fine?

    Because those 150k made a choice to switch to a custom rom with the features built-in that they would typically need root for on ANY stock OEM rom, such as effective system-wide Adblocking

    Ofc userspace is just fine in that scenario

    Now, if you're saying only 150k people choose to flash a custom rom out of billions of Android devices that userspace is just fine and dandy, that's just misleading. An absolute ton of those billions of devices are most likely Samshits, which is actively hostile to user choice and rooting and does everything they can to stop it. Up to and including (like someone else commented here) using Knox to brick the phone.

    Living with userspace because you can't or don't want to overcome your choosen OEMs blockers/hostility is NOT evidence that user space is just fine.

    [–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I'm pretty sure the poster you replied to is saying exact opposite. Using the number of graphene OS installs as a proxy for individuals with root access vs the number of users who haven't modified their device in such a way.

    Edit: Woop. I should read father next time, but yes I believe it is the second example.

    [–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    But GrapheneOS is unrooteable by design...

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago

    I found that out way too late, but luckily didnt need root.

    Yes, AOSP sucks, but at least its damn secure

    [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

    *by default. It's not "unrootable", it's just not recommended.

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    [–] taiyang@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Brah, if you try and root many phones, shit like Knox fucking bricks your phone out of spite. They've been putting anti-consummer shit into devices for decades now, let's not pretend that puts everyone in the same 99.9%.

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    [–] agelord@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)
    [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

    I'm sorry my data makes you feel like you must attack me. Sad.

    [–] doctortran@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Shit like this is why I can't abide GrapheneOS or their cheerleaders.

    It's legitimately the same attitude as Google itself. This parental, condescending tone, acting as if wanting freedom to control their own devices is somehow irrational. Continuing to push this toxic idea that handcuffs are the only way to protect users. Like a sysadmin at a workplace, but without the justifiable reasons.

    [–] MTK@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

    Dude, not having root is objectively safer, and grapheneOS is security first.

    If you want a rom that gives you absolute freedom, there are those as well, but it's not as secure.

    P.S you can root grapheneOS, it's just not recommended or catered to and while I don't agree with their tone and the obfuscation of it, I don't think it matters as it just completely goes against security.

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    [–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    I would love to have this for my smart tv remote that has dedicated buttons for subscription services I will never pay for. /me heads to thingiverse to search

    [–] EnragedKnight117@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Install a button remapper You can disable the buttons, or reuse them for custom actions :P

    [–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Please provide a link to a TV remote button remapper.

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    [–] scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 35 points 6 months ago

    Boomer mode

    [–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Ok, now I kind of want this. I only have my PC connected to the TV, so I only need the power button, volume controls, settings and the D-Pad. A specialized cover would make hitting the right buttons in the dark much easier and also remove the ads disguised as buttons.

    [–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 7 points 6 months ago

    I figured out my tv starts on the last used channel if it receives power after a power cut. All I need to control it is a smart plug

    [–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    That... is a really shitty meme that misses the point?

    If you actually look at what the overlay exposes, the User still has the ability to pick specific channels, control volume, power, etc. All they really lose are the DVR (good example) and all of the user friendly stuff related to tv guides and the like (bad example).

    I assume this is just AI engagement farming bullshit that someone fell for and posted to lemmy but... I would actually say it would make more sense if the overlay were almost inverted.

    [–] Curiousfur@yiffit.net 5 points 6 months ago

    You also lose the ability to access the TV settings, leaving you stuck on the default settings, which is one of the reasons why most people root their phones.

    [–] nicerdicer@feddit.org 20 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Neat.

    The thing that bothers me whenever I see a TV remote is that there doesn't seem to be a remote control with illuminated keys, like on a computer keyboard. That way you can see the buttons even under dim lit conditions. Also, why aren't there any remotes with a built-in battery that could be charged like a smartphone?

    I don't own a TV, but I know that back in the days of bulky CRT TV's there were some remotes that could be iluminated. White LEDs weren't a thing back then, so they used incandescent lamps which drained the 9V battery fast.

    Why aren't back llit and rechargeable TV remotes a thing today, especially because white LED's and batteries are quite efficient today?

    [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago

    If you want rechargeable batteries, just put some eneloop batteries (or some of the cheaper, rebranded ones) in the remote. They are not like the old NiMH batteries, they hold a charge for a years.

    I certainly don't want a remote that I have to throw out in a few years because the non-replaceable lithium battery wore out.

    [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

    The box Comcast sent me that I never asked for had all the features you asked for.

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    [–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Do you need access to the Exit button if all the other menu and guide etc. buttons are covered?

    [–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    "Smart" tvs pop things up for no reason sometimes.

    [–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

    Oooof, thankfully I've never had that happen with mine, but I've also never connected mine to the internet

    [–] RiQuY@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)
    [–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 43 points 6 months ago

    Don't make me tap the overlay.

    [–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    One is for all, the other is just the TV. It's probably a remote for a smart box or something, you can program some of the TVs commands on them, like on/off, input switching, etc... so you don't have to juggle with 2 remotes in your hand.

    [–] jqubed@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

    Yes it’s for a cable box/DVR. The Spectrum logo is for Spectrum cable, the brand that resulted from the Charter Communications purchase of Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks.

    [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Doesn't CEC fix all of the issues requiring multiple power buttons?

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    On paper, but it's pretty hit or miss IME on its implementations

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    [–] jqubed@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    If the TV supports it. I haven’t come across many in the wild that really use it, or at least situations where a TV and device both work well with the protocol.

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    [–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

    The left one is labeled TV. The right one is probably for the DVR.

    [–] tun@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Does the clip to remove the cover has label β€œsudo”?

    [–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    As sudo applies only for a single command, removing the cover is more like su, no?

    sudo would be more if above every covered button there was a tiny hole through which you could push it with a needle or so.

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    [–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago

    Yoooo, that is sick. I need it for my grandma.

    [–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    What's with the number buttons being available with no "OK" or "Enter" option?

    [–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 6 months ago

    Just enter a channel number and it will auto switch

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    We need a rootless linux distro

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    ChromeOS? And MacOS? (If UNIX is good enough)

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 months ago

    No Linux with libre components. No having root would make a immutable distro actually immutable. You could just give permissions to daemons that the user could connect to

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago
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