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What a class act. It’s too bad the door swung so far in the other direction after he left.
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I voted for him but hate how he talked shit about the Patriot act overstepping then extended it and took away even more of our rights.
Congress extended it. Obama simply didn’t veto it. Perhaps that makes him complicit but it sailed through the Senate in a 67-32 vote which is likely to never happen ever again and a veto would only get overridden by Congress, which makes a President appear weak.
No perhaps. He spoke against. Under his presidency the added rolling phone taps. That is just as bad as W. I guess he is a little better because he didn't lie about an attack on America to pass it.
What would you have liked him to do in order to stop it from passing?
Obvious answer here is veto.
67-32
A veto wouldn't have made a difference.
Yeah, that's just enough to be a super-majority
You literally cannot veto anything that passes with 67 of more Senate votes.
Actually, you can, but they can send it right back overriding his veto.
It would be an empty gesture
Yes you can. They have an opportunity to override afterwards, but the veto both signals the President's opposition and gives members a chance to change their vote.
I wish a politician 'told us how it is' by relaying to us how it actually is. Like, the power structure and the way shit gets accomplished by government. We have no clue. People running for office have a jist of a clue. Those in power are burdened by the system. I wish we knew more about the system.
the way shit gets accomplished by government
Well, largely, it doesn't. And the reason for that is because few people in the US government right now know how to operate a government.
Many in the government in fact don't want the government to operate.
Also, not a fan of him ordering the extra judicial killing of American citizens.
I'm fine with it, but only because those specific Americans were assholes and weren't in a place they could be taken for trial.
I wouldn't mind a trial in absentia, but I also understand time was a concern.
Before you say 'oh yeah, what about others in the future!?!?', everyone got that pissed over a few that pretty clearly deserved it, I'm not too worried about a potus drone striking random people at Walmart just yet.
The downvoters apparently are fans of that
It happens 🤷
Weirdo blue maga people, blue no matter who people. They are worse than red maga in some ways.
I remember how Michael Moore disappeared as soon as Obama was elected. Obama increased drone strikes, bombed weddings schools and hospitals including a doctors without borders hospital, kept gitmo open, extended and expanded domestic surveillance. All the stuff Michael Moore was writing books and making movies about during the Bush admin were apparently no longer a problem now that a Democrat was doing them. Really changed my perspective.
Obama did some good things. But mainstream democrats are still right of center on the political spectrum and are still beholden to their corporate donors.
The downvotes are funny as it is people downvoting facts.
I wish Obama was as progressive as his speeches suggested he was, but alas. He was able to pass a healthcare plan, albeit a neoliberal republican healthcare plan.
Obama would probably be a decent Supreme Court justice, he has some good ideas and knows law I believe. But I don’t know if he would do the right thing and overturn citizens united
I would buy Obama a beer, Kamala and walz and Biden for sure. I don’t think I would want to be in the same room with him, Trump I mean
I would have accepted a centrist if he had done anything at all to dial back bushs aggressive attacks on our civil liberties and the people of the Middle East. He didn't, in a lot of ways he ramped them up. Hope and change my ass. Fuck Obama.
I am weaning myself off of giving votes for neoliberals after Obama. Starting with the president vote, trying to do the same for state and local elections but it’s exponentially more difficult
Politics is the art of the possible.
Except that what's possible is waaaaaaaay less than you think.
Yeah, the racists were pretty pissed about the whole... Having a black president thing.
People are really sleeping on voting Harris just to make racists mad
Some people need a smaller goal they can relate to
Make racists mald again, that's not a bad idea.
I voted for him both times, he’s a really good speaker. Unfortunately, he’s a neoliberal corporate democrat just like all the others.
Eh, just pushing for the ACA makes him generic liberal, not neo.
ACA is the republican neoliberal healthcare plan yo
Or at least it was lol, once Obama got it passed and the republicans started literally speaking out against their own plan
A similar thing happened to Biden, where he embraced the republican immigration plan but then the republicans changed their mind and voted against their own plan lol
I miss Obama
I miss sanity in politics.
Was shit perfect? Fuck no, but there was comfort in appearance of civilized debate. You could disagree with a politician, family member, or even stranger without calling their entire world view into question. I can remember when we agreed on the facts, and just disagreed on whose solution was best to fix the problem.
I'm too old for this shit.
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