I seriously do not understand what happened to this timeline.
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Capitalism.
I generally like CAH's activism, but can we please not re-normalize bribing voters?
They aren't, they're calling attention to it and directly saying "this should be illegal!". It's not subtle, it's a pitch to point out that this should not be allowed.
However the website with the info (https://apologize.lol) now links to their other thing and I wonder if they are working through some legal concerns, lol.
There are ways to say it should be illegal without normalizing the practice.
It should be illegal to use dark money in campaigns. That doesn't mean I want them to start being part of that.
When The Satanic Temple starts putting Baphomet statues in government buildings or their clergy members in schools it does not normalize the process. It's them saying "these are the rules? Then we're going to push them as far as they go to show you how absurd that is and get you to change the rules."
And that has also achieved nothing since Louisiana has mandated a specific set of Ten Commandments be displayed in school and Oklahoma wants every school kid to read from the Trump Bible.
Satire is funny. I enjoy it. I enjoy both that and this on that level.
But TST didn't change things. It's gotten worse. We've become, as a nation, more Christian when we shouldn't be. Meaningful change will not happen while Republicans are in power, and they have gamed the system so that they will likely retain congressional and judicial power in perpetuity.
Sure, but thing's haven't gotten worse as a result of what TST is doing, and they aren't being normalized because of what CAH is doing. You're right, it's fucked up. You know it's fucked up, I know it's fucked up, CAH keeps saying "it's fucked up that we can do this." The point is to keep telling people "This is fucked up". Not responding to what Musk is doing would normalize it more than shining a light on it.
Doing what he is doing is not the only way to respond to it.
Taking the high road has been working like such a fuckin banger since 2008, we should definitely continue doing it!
Alternatively:
Do every borderline legal thing to win or make these things illegal by mutual agreement. It's stupid to play by the rules when youre the only one doing it.
You want to gerrymander? Cool, let's go. You want to force court appointments? Game on. You want to stack the supreme court(s)? Hold. My. Beer.
Sometime right around clinton's impeachment, it became clear we are not playing in good faith anymore, and adding more good faith after 20 years isn't fixing it. It's time to draw some political blood, and this CAH business is the most softcore possible way of doing that.
It's satire, and it's borderline genius. The actual campaign text would probably change your opinion, it is very deliberately telling people to tweet about how it should be illegal. They give you exact text to post about how it should be illegal. It's the opposite of normalizing. Ostracizing? Idk
ETA: one of the many other things I like about it is they explain very succinctly how it works. Form a SuperPAC, buy the data from a data broker, act barely (but strictly) within the law. It really feels like one of the few serious pushes back I've seen, it's way more positive than you're thinking.
It's not satire if they actually pay people. It's just doing it in the name of satire. Very different.
Satire can take action in its execution. A man with a tuba following a nazi march is satire mixed with action.
You don't like money in politics, and this is still money in politics. That's a different and valid complaint, but this is still effective satire.
Effectiveness in what way though? If Republicans retain control of congress, which they probably will due to gerrymandering, this won't change.
As I said, I appreciate the satire and I agree with their point. I just think this is more likely to achieve the opposite of what they want.
Specifically the language seemed intended to troll such that Republicans miss the satire (not hard), get angry about the fucked up campaign finance situation, and then we can all say "yeah this has to change". I understand skepticism about achieving that, but it's a coherent goal and strategy, and I'm very enthusiastic that we're getting actual real pushback from somewhere. I'm not gonna tear it down in any way, I think it's fantastic and I want to see more clever, patriotic efforts to drag into public view the ugliness we've allowed to take root.
I just don't see why they would get angry when Musk is promising to pay them.
In fact, that's what they say every time they get mad at something they think is unfair that they think the left is doing: "we get to do it too."
- CAH is paying more than Musk
- CAH is using Musk's own corrupt plan (which started this), to fund some of THIS, and intending to sue him if he doesn't hold up his end of the deal.
For someone who seems to really want more left leaning stuff in our politics...you just seem to have dug your heels in on this one, without knowing very much about it. Every answered question or corrected assumption produces yet another, smaller complaint. This thing they're doing is good. Even if it's flawed, so what. It's good. So few things are.
I'm out, cheers.
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There is zero chance that Musk's bullshit would be shutdown if this didn't draw more attention to it.
Who is going to shut it down regardless? You would need congress and the judiciary. Good luck with that, they're on Musk's side.
Yea - they are on Musk's side - they aren't on Cards Against Humanity's side... if precedent is set against CAH then it can weaponized against Musk... this whole thing is CAH trying to get a clear ruling that this bullshit is illegal.
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"It's normal because cards against humanity did it"
Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
That would be deranged, and so would I be... if that's what I had said. What I said was normalizing. It is a different word.
Here, I'll help you: thinks that are normal are not normalizing.
Similarly, a rising elevator hasn't already risen.
So are you saying cah can't do this because it may be misinterpreted by utterly deranged people? Should we just give up then? Anything can be misinterpreted if the interpreter is deranged enough.
Also, I don't know what you mean with "a rising elevator hasn't already risen" but such an elevator would experience infinite jolt and would thus be physically impossible, except maybe if the elevator was a photon or something.
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Bribing voters is illegal. Paying people to make a voting plan isn't. Yay legal technicalities!
Even how much im against this as a principal, its the right thing to do.
As an European this election is probably more important for me than the average American. Trump wins, and Europe's safety is at risk. Let Putin take Ukraine, and Putin will take more land as its endorsed by the US president.
Please don't fuck this up.
Trump will call this election interference without a hint of irony.
LOL these people are really something else.
Anyone think this is a good idea?
No, not even them, but the GOP is actively doing it, and if they win this election it will never stop.
This is what "fight fire with fire" means. You use the same tools as your enemy, or you lose.
That's their point.
I mean it's definitely hilarious.
if you're going to risk federal charges i think you should probably do it in service of something a little more substantial than a lukewarm voting drive. especially when everyone you convince to participate is ostensibly on "your side" and they will also be risking federal charges.
too many people praising this think clever wording and specific language is like iron-clad armor against a judge saying "no fuck you, your intent was clearly to break or circumvent the law. go to jail/pay this fine". that only works for the rich.
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