Any Israeli genocide defenders in this thread? No?
Wow, I shocked.
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I will always defend Israel having the right to attempt to stop being attacked by terrorists.
Feel free to come up with a better solution to stop Hamas.
A better solution than genocide?
You don't understand how fucked up that sounds?
I don't know if you're being intentionally dense or what, but I was asking for a better solution than Israel being attacked constantly by terrorists, as they have been for many many years.
Apparently it's okay as long as Jews are dying, right?
Genocide is never fine.
You know this, right?
Are you denying Israel is committing a genocide on Palestinians?
This is a genocide on an incarcerated population, within an Apartheid State, founded on Ethnic Cleansing, which is central to Zionism. Israel has no right to do any of those things. The only real solution is a regime change to a One-State Solution with equal rights for all Israelis and Palestinians
Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism
Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Settlements and Occupation
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
- The Transfer Committee, and the JNF Ethnic Cleansing, which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Apartheid Evidence
B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
You mean you'll always defend the terrorist state of Israel's supposed "right" to butcher civilians, aid workers, and journalists.
I'm failing to see how bombing that guy's mom accomplishes that though
Right, because the article clearly states that the bomb targeted that guys mom specifically and not a vehicle she happened to be near containing terrorists.
Right, and since Israel has one of the best intelligence agencies on the planet and access to precision guided bombs they couldn't figure out how to blow up these guys without civilian casualties.
Stop supporting terrorists hiding behind innocent civilians.
You disgust me.
Excuse me, what the fuck ? By saying that killing said innocent civilians was avoidable and accomplishes nothing, I am defending the terrorists now ? Can you at least try to feign some intellectual honesty if we're gonna argue ?
And now he's HAMAS and must Die before he Kills the People who Murdered his Mom!
Watch the video in the article. What a fucking nightmare...
I've noticed one peculiar paragraph in the AP story: "Abed Bardini was in one of two ambulances dispatched to the scene. Back at the hospital, he unloaded the stretcher with practiced professionalism, squinting into the late afternoon sun as he wheeled the body across the hospital courtyard. Inside, medical staff pulled back the blanket to check for signs of life, and Bardini’s strength collapsed."
So the AP reporter just happened to be standing right next to Abed Bardini, performing his duties with practiced professionalsim while squinting into the afternoon sun?
No foreign independent reporters are allowed into Gaza by Israel. All footage is from Palestinians on the ground.
Ok, I believe and understand what you say, but then that makes the AP story a little stranger. If no foreign, independent reporters are allowed into Gaza, then how does the AP know that Abed Bardini "...unloaded the stretcher with practiced professionalism, squinting into the late afternoon sun..."
They are describing the video
Ahhhh!!!! Thank you, good sir or madam!!