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[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

You vote for the least bad option, and start doing the grueling grassroots work to make the options less bad

Eliminate the electoral college Ranked choice voting Eliminate the senate or make it propprtional to population Expand the number of house seats Expand the supreme court Public funding for elections Media that is not advertising driven Unions! Coop employee owned companies

Do these and start building something that doesnt suck

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago

The only genocide you care about is the one that you can use to get fascism elected.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

vote with your feet.

If you choose to live in the US and pay taxes, you're choosing to contribute to those atrocities.

If you choose to live outside of the US most of the year, you are not required to pay US taxes up to $125,000 and are not funding those atrocities.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Using the language of fascist genocide perpetrators is not the way to go.

Also…who the fuck can afford to “live outside the US most of the year?” Just squirt on down to our summer home? The fuck

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Using the language of fascist genocide perpetrators is not the way to go."

then don't do that.

"Also…who the fuck can afford to “live outside the US most of the year?”

if you can afford to live inside the US at all, you can afford to live outside of the United States as long as you want at a much higher quality of life.

you don't even have to get angry about it for no reason.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Moving is cheap and easy! Abandoning your social circle will lead to happiness! Giving up everything you've ever known is the moral choice!

If you don't do this, you're partly responsible for bombing kids and should feel bad!

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Moving is cheap and easy!"

true that! much cheaper than paying for American housing.

and much easier than getting your driver's license.

the healthcare and, yknow, all infrastructure is cheaper too, and simpler to access.

"Giving up everything you've ever known..."

well, this is wrong.

what do you imagine you're giving up?

do you think other countries don't have supermarkets? or cheetos?

"you're partly responsible for bombing kids..."

If you are paying American taxes, a significant amount of your income is going directly to American military activities and aid, including that going to Israel(and many other countries).

If you live outside the country most of the year, you don't have to pay those taxes that yes, are "partly responsible for bombing kids".

there are viable alternatives to submitting to the implied impotence of this meme.

That's a fact, Jack.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Couldn't think of a way to spin losing your entire support network into a positive I guess

You're complicit in slave labor if you use electronics and should feel awful about it, by the way.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Couldn't think of a way to spin losing your entire support network into a positive, I guess"

sorry to hear that happened to you.

upaide, even if you've lost everybody, it's really easy to make friends while you're traveling.

everyone's very interested and gracious.

"You're complicit in slave labor if you use electronics and should feel awful about it"

you mean you don't feel bad about being complicit in slave labor?

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

sorry to hear that happened to you

Are you? You're the one who skipped the line while stretching to dismiss my other legitimate concerns about your fantasy suggestion

I don't feel bad about being complicit in slave labor for eating food and using electronics because I need food to live and I need electronics to earn money to buy food. If you go far enough down the chain in anything, you're likely to find human rights abuse. All that letting myself feel bad about every single awful in the world would accomplish is making me depressed to the point of being unable to care for myself

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

"Are you?"

yeah, I know a couple people who actually lost their entire social network and their family recently because of trump, and tons of people before that from drugs.

not having any friends f or any support like you're going through is like the number one cause of relapse and drug abuse and basically every depressive-adjacent syndrome.

so I don't like to hear that, even if it happens to people who are trying to be rude or belligerent.

not having friends or support is probably playing into your belligerence.

"I don't feel bad about being complicit in slave labor..."

wow, that is dark.

you might want to feel a little bad about it.

"If you go far enough down the chain in anything, you're likely to find human rights abuse."

couple things here.

  1. what you're talking about is not down the chain, it's the slave mailing the phone to Apple Store, who is providing you with the electronics.

it's like two links in a chain.

Fairfield is a great alternative that supports workers rights and provides documentation their supply chain.

  1. your conclusion is that the more likely human rights abuse is are, the less bad you should feel about them.

That's not uncommon to hear, but it is not correct.

human rights abuses should not be happening whether they're close to you or far away, or there's one child being whipped or 200 children being whipped.

you've defended child slavery and human rights abuses like twice into two paragraphs, and even if you aren't being serious, you might want to re-examine your ideals that have led you down this path to defend child slavery and human rights abuses because.....why?

nobody's arguing that human rights abuses are good, you're just bragging that you don't feel bad about child slavery and human rights abuses.

That's weird.

That's a weird defensive posture, especially when nobody is taking the opposite stance.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I will leave you with this:

My first comment had four sarcastic sentences in it. You jumped through hoops to justify why you believe three of them sincerely. The one you did not address was about losing your support network.

My reply suggested that you chose to omit that line because you could not figure out a way to spin it as a positive. You are either being deliberately obtuse or you genuinely haven't figured out that I was referring to you.

I won't say I regret responding but I will say it felt like a waste. I accept now that nothing productive will come from further interacting with you so we'll leave it there. I hope you have a good rest of your day.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

"My first comment had four sarcastic sentences in it..."

uh huh.

"I won't say I regret responding but I will say it felt like a waste."

oh no!

your crafted insincerity didn't pay off?

"I accept now that nothing productive will come..."

fifth stage, good stage.

"I hope you have a good rest of your day."

thanks, you too.

[–] Cleggory@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Americans seem to hate change and endlessly try the same things expecting different results.

My Stockholm syndrome has worn off and I've been putting an hour a day into language learning since the war started.

I look forward to taking your advice and making some friends.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's great to hear, both that the Stockholm has worn off and that you're learning languages.

what are you learning right now and which app are you using?

Duolingo used to be my go to, but not no more, I find it pretty exhausting, so I'm trying out different apps and recently got into drops, which I'm enjoying.

pretty simple layout, and not as much grammar, but good design, fun mechanics and I'm learning vocab fast.

if you have any questions about traveling, feel free to shoot them my way, I'm happy to answer what I can.

[–] Cleggory@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I'm learning Mandarin Chinese currently, and you're right that Duolingo can be almost pointlessly limited.

Duolingo can be a fun/gamified way to kick off learning, but different languages have very different levels of support. (Hindi is known to be wrong/misleading for one.)

I've shifted to using a mix of free courses on YouTube and other apps including HelloChinese and HSK 1.

Drops seems really interesting especially once grammar is down, great to drill vocab.

I may take you up on your generous offer for more advice later!

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

if you can afford to live inside the US at all, you can afford to live outside of the United States as long as you want at a much higher quality of life.

You are not in contact with reality.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bruh americans earn on average 4x the cash people in central and eastern Europe do. For same jobs, 2x is often the norm. The prices of groceries are maybe 80% of the groceries in the US. If you can afford to pay $1k in rent, then you can afford to pay $250.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Most people don't have jobs they can do from a different continent.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every job that is available in the US is available in other countries as well

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

For the pay available in the country? Plus you need visa and such.

It's doable, just painting it as something everyone in the US can easily do is very silly.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I used to agree with you but which candidate was in the primary that did not support a system bombing kids?

[–] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The presidential primary is probably the wrong place to start, unfortunately. Because of its scope, it's hugely expensive in terms of both money and power to get a successful candidacy there. In order for there to be a Bernie on the debate stage 2016 and 2020, you need a couple dozen progressives in the House, a few progressive Senators, a handful of progressive governors, and a metric boatload of progressive state and municipal legislators. For international affairs, the dominant force there is going to be the House Reps and Senators because the other offices won't have much leverage on that issue. It's hard to campaign on an issue that splits the big tent and triggers foreign spending against your campaign. The fact that there has been no inkling of an indication that Congress would have the prospective candidate's back makes it basically nonviable at the national level, as much as that stings. Airing a campaign message of "we will cease a betting thenIsraeli government in their war crimes" beside lower level candidates going out with messaging of "we need to strengthen our relations with our allies in the Middle East" is a disaster waiting to happen, and that is a message that won many a House Rep Democratic primary. It's an unbearably slow process to drum up a response to a system that is murdering children by the day, and the only solace is that every success makes the next win easier. But it is the system we have, and the only way to change/reform that system short of violence is through a series of small, hard-fought victories. It's how liberals/progressives were able to get the extent of LGBT rights that we do have, it's how direct military intervention and corporate bailouts are becoming, if not fully frowned upon, a policy that carries some shame and embarrassment for its advocate. It's also how abortion rights have been eroded by the regressives, and it's how transphobic policies are becoming a nationwide phenomenon

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I agree. I’m an activist, though what I do is non-electoral (direct action aimed to help people and prevent death or severe harm). It’s exhausting, and everyone is like “why don’t you do things” when they sit on their ass watching TV and I spend hours doing activism that keeps people alive. It takes an absurd amount of work to make minimal changes, and even as someone who doesn’t have a very positive view of electoral politics, I have massive respect for the progressive activists who try and make a difference.

Whether or not a system that murders so many people, and makes it impossible to stop the most horrific crimes against humanity is legitimate is another story. Stopping a genocide is mandatory under international law, but the immovable systems don’t care, and don’t do anything but fuel it. And as a queer person, a system that forces me to argue that I matter and deserve rights isn’t exactly one that lives up to the liberal values the system says it is founded on.

While I like the hopeful mood of things getting easier over time, that’s not a hard and fast rule. Im willing to bet that due to modern social media and the way that these impenetrable echo chambers have formed, it will be easier to be racist, and queer phobic, and eventually, the politicians will be insulated from bad press.

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is very exhausting to do activism with such a small group surrounded by a larger oppressive system. Ironically, the best thing is to make sure you are still taking care of your own needs and rest. Not only because it will make sure you don't burnout and can continue to help in the long term, but because by setting that example for other people to see it is possible to help without being overwhelmed.

In my opinion, the initial challenge to get people involved is to have them witness for themselves what is going on and what they can do to contribute. Once they see the need and a path to help then they are more likely to do so. But they also have to see that helping does not have to include giving up all their time with their loved ones and being destitute.

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

I’ve joined existing orgs that have a clear path, and I’ve started one/resurrected a dead one, and I can say the moment the path to action is visible, people have an easier time getting moving and things begin to fall in place. Once the groups have enough core members, it’s easy for folks to pick up work when others need to take time for themselves. It’s beautiful to see :)

On a completely unrelated note, all of the activist chats I’m in have blown up following the election. Some of the groups have even started receiving donations from new people, and others have received tons of new members. Even with those horrible circumstances, it brings me some hope for the next four years.