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We're aware of ongoing federation issues for activities being sent to us by lemmy.ml.

We're currently working on the issue, but we don't have an ETA right now.

Cloudflare is reporting 520 - Origin Error when lemmy.ml is trying to send us activities, but the requests don't seem to properly arrive on our proxy server. This is working fine for federation with all other instances so far, but we have seen a few more requests not related to activity sending that seem to occasionally report the same error.

~~Right now we're about 1.25 days behind lemmy.ml.~~

You can still manually resolve posts in lemmy.ml communities or comments by lemmy.ml users in our communities to make them show up here without waiting for federation, but this obviously is not something that will replace regular federation.

We'll update this post when there is any new information available.


Update 2024-11-19 17:19 UTC:

~~Federation is resumed and we're down to less than 5 hours lag, the remainder should be caught up soon.~~

The root cause is still not identified unfortunately.


Update 2024-11-23 00:24 UTC:

We've explored several different approaches to identify and/or mitigate the issue, which included replacing our primary load balancer with a new VM, updating HAproxy from the latest version packaged in Ubuntu 24.04 LTS to the latest upstream version, finding and removing a configuration option that may have prevented logging of certain errors, but we still haven't really made any progress other than ruling out various potential issues.

We're currently waiting for lemmy.ml admins to be available to reset federation failures at a time when we can start capturing some traffic to get more insights on the traffic that is hitting our load balancer, as the problem seems to be either between Cloudflare and our load balancer, or within the load balancer itself. Due to real life time constraints, we weren't able to find a suitable time this evening, we expect to be able to continue with this tomorrow during the day.

As of this update we're about 2.37 days behind lemmy.ml.

We are still not aware of similar issues on other instances.


Update 2024-11-25 12:29 UTC:

We have identified the underlying issue, where a backport for a bugfix resulting in crashes in certain circumstances was accidentally reverted when another backport was applied. We have applied this patch again and we're receiving activities from lemmy.ml again. It may take an hour or so to catch up, but this time we should reliably be getting there again. We're currently 4.77 days behind.

We still don't have an explanation why the logs were missing in HAproxy after going through Cloudflare, but this shouldn't cause any further federation issues.


Update 2024-11-25 14:31 UTC:

Federation has fully caught up again.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 127 points 4 months ago (7 children)

this comment section is not a place to rant about other instances

[โ€“] [email protected] 56 points 4 months ago

I don't see why not.

[โ€“] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago

Yeah a swept clean comment section looks way better....

[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Please defederate from them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Block the instance on your own client, not all of us are as closed minded as you are.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@Psythik just because you personally don't like them? Or what's the reason?

@MrKaplan

[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Because they're tankies, and I really don't need to explain to you why that's a bad thing. You already know.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't kmow what tankie means

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[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (18 children)

The hypocracy of people exaggerating the scale of the problems and piling-on about other instances in their manic drive to turn this place into an echo chamber is depressing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's been far better the past few days without them.

Honestly some of the discussions I have with lemmy.ml people don't make sense in any capacity

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I haven't really had that experience with anyone from .ml yet. There are a handful of actual tankies there but for the most part, from want I have seen, it's mostly various forms of far left opinion which no one should be afraid of.

Some people here do spend an unseemly amount of time complaining about them. Which is more toxic than anything they're usually complaining about.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'll just post a sentence instead of a rant then, defederate from .ml please :3

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[โ€“] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I mean.....if you wanted to defederare from lemmy.ml I'd be fine with that.

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There's too much content on lemmy.ml to defederate. We'd lose like a quarter of all the content.

[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We'd lose the .ml version of that content.

But I thought the whole point of federation was that if mods, or communities become problematic, you could always create your own. Then all the non-problematic people will move to that.

Is that not the very foundation of the concept of the fediverse?

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's not wrong, but I don't regard Lemmy.ml as being problematic enough to defederate from. Their moderation practices are questionable and their user base is annoying but it's otherwise generally tolerable. People can block the instance if they don't want to see content from it.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

We would adapt, just like when Beehaw was a significant amount of the userbase on Lemmy and they cut us and sh.itjust.works off, we adapted and they got smaller. Lemmy.world is a bigger server than lemmy.ml. Only reason their communities are still so big is network effect. Which would be curbed by them being cut off. As I've said already, network effect is curbed by force, taking away a choice, not providing 7 more choices while leaving the original.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's certainly an efficient way to resolve the problem.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 64 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Ah, I just today in the morning blocked Lemmy.ml. Seems to have been interesting timing :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

In which case, thank you.

[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

No one said it was a global variable. You can hardly blame the user for poor documentation.

[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I've never had a positive interaction with Lemmy.ml. For me it serves as a quarantine space, and a set of pre-tagged users I don't personally enjoy dealing with.

...and I'm not particularly averse to Marxists sentiments either, but they're certainly not good sales people, diplomats, or representative of their cause.

Which is just part of their reputation now. Having a bad experience with a .ml user seems to be part of the lemmy experience. It's kind of comical how consistent it seems.

That said, I'm sure there's good people on .ml.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago

I can think of a solution.

[โ€“] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Could it be an issue/compatibility with lemmy.ml running Lemmy v0.19.7 ?

[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe it is.

There weren't any network related changes from 0.19.6 to 0.19.7 and we haven't seen this behavior with any of the 0.19.6 instances yet.

The requests are visible with details (domain, path, headers) in Cloudflare, but they're not showing on our proxy server logs at all.

[โ€“] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've read enough posts over at /r/sysadmin, it is always DNS.

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

FWIW the communities on walledgarden.xyz have been having federation issues to lemmy.ml for a few days as well.

Since we were/are working through some things with our host I didn't want to bother anyone from lemmy.ml about it, but it's a thing. AFAIK federation is otherwise working normally.

Good luck getting it figured out and resolved!

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Oh, come on. Again?

The Usual suspects, Network troubleshooting editon

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Source: https://lemmy.world/post/22166289

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