I’ll never forget watching NZ come out of lockdown and seeing people hug each other while I was still sanitizing groceries.
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They were having rugby games while the rest of the world burned down in flames
Are you saying that New Zealand returned to normal before the rest of the world? Because that's not how I remember it at all.
We had a four week (incredibly strict) lockdown in 2020 and then life returned to normal because we eliminated the virus. In late 2021 the delta variant ruined all that and the government attempted a half-assed lockdown which didn't do much and that's where a lot of the anger came from.
NZ had relatively a very short lock down and were one of the few oecd countries that was back to regular life in 2020. Other than wearing masks in certain places you could go to restaurants, movies, regular shops etc.
Eventually there was another lock down, for most of the country it was much shorter. One town had to go longer though cause they kept having cases pop up.
Every article i can find discusses New Zealand having the longest-running and toughest covid restrictions in the world, pretty far from normal life. I remember them briefly easing restrictions in 2020, and it was widely celebrated as some kind of victory over covid, but it was short lived, and restrictions and mandates came right back stronger than ever.
Well you've been reading incorrect.
I live in NZ and was here all through covid. We had, outside Auckland, a total of 8 weeks lockdown, then some mild restrictions for a few weeks, then business as usual.
Places like Melbourne and the UK had over a year of restrictions and many more months of lockdown
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IIRC New Zealand returned to actual normal, as in COVID was a relative non-issue, faster than many other countries. Their restrictions were more severe and weren't lifted very quickly, but when they were lifted things were actually fine.
Places like the US and much of Canada dropped restrictions while things were still pretty bad in terms of infection rates and strain on health care systems, and really they hardly enforced them to begin with. You could see this as a return to normalcy since restrictions were gone, but in Alberta they lifted restrictions when we were still dealing with plenty of deaths, severely impacted health care, and on top of that we were still figuring out the implications of the whole long COVID thing. That's not a return to normal, I don't think, it's pretending things are normal when they're not.
Our restrictions were basically lifted after four weeks in 2020 because that was enough to eliminate the virus. I think going a bit authoritarian with the lockdown maximised our freedom in the long run that year.
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Reasonable is great when it comes to this kind of thing.
I feel that this is when social media really showed how much harm it could do to spread misinformation. Good on NZ.
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By contrast USA had over 600,000 preventable deaths due to their utter lack of response... So is this what you would have preferred???
"And I encourage it to be released soon … the next pandemic may not be far away. We need to get on and prepare.”
Yeah, it'll probably come from the US due to some vaccines becoming illegal in some States. Let's just hope it doesnt spread through mouth rain like covid does.
I moved to NZ about 7 years ago and lived through this. I supported the earlier lockdowns and got the vaccine before it became mandated.
Having said that, the mandates that the government pursued were absolutely ruthless, and put in place at a time where efficacy was already reduced due to new variants. It did a lot of harm to society, and we still live with those consequences today.
a lot of harm to society
You mean one of the lowest per capita death rates of any country with transparent reporting? Explain to me how saving tens of thousands of lives in New Zealand was bad without sounding like a dickhead...
From the report:
Contentious public health measures like vaccine mandates wore away at what had initially been a united wall of public support for the pandemic response; along with the rising tide of misinformation and disinformation, this created social fissures that have not entirely been repaired.
Yeah, misinformation from conspiracists and right wing politicians wore at the publics resolve and found a home the hearts of other reactionaries and conspiracists. That's the truth, but it's not a fault of thee covid response, it's a fault of people who view society as an enemy
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In another words, it hurt their poor little feelings
In Chapter 8, the report goes on to talk about how hurting their poor little feelings debased the authority of the government and the authors offer suggestions on how to do mandates better during the next pandemic.
This seems to assume there was a response by the center-left government that could both be pro-social and would not be attacked by conservative douchebags. They're not going to be impressed by a finely threaded needle, they'll just up their ask, because reducing the popularity of their opponents is the point of conservative propaganda, not the actual policy.
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Having said that, the mandates that the government pursued were absolutely ruthless
Good.
and put in place at a time where efficacy was already reduced due to new variants.
"Reduced" is not the same as "safe."
It did a lot of harm to society, and we still live with those consequences today.
Like what? What horrible burden are you living with in New Zealand because of this?
Thank. You.
Ez upvote holy fuck I'd trade places in a second as an anti-authoritarian, high-covid-risk person ill absolutely take that deal vs living in the land of the walking small pox blankets where the Small Business ™️ must flow.
The absolute fucking gall of comparing that to the 14 characteristics of fascism. Must be nice to be so insulated.
Why is it good they were ruthless? Did you live here? Do you know what happened? Is it based on science to force mandates on a population that's already 95 percent vaccinated? Because it was definitely not what our Ministry of Health recommended...
At the time the mandates were active, Auckland was 95 percent vaxed and rife with covid. At that stage, was it worth it telling five percent of the population they were not allowed to be anywhere but in a supermarket? Was it reasonable taking their jobs away from them? Did the costs outweigh the benefits?
The government's covid response did a lot of damage to NZ. My wife is a therapist and works with victims of sexual and domestic abuse. Turns out that locking people up with their abusers for months on end is... Very bad for people too.
Vax mandates lead to a huge division in society, including racial and political divides. It will take a long time to recover from that.
I'm not saying all lockdowns are bad, I'm not saying vaccines are bad, I'm saying there's a cost benefit analysis to be made, and NZ definitely went above and beyond what was reasonable. Towards the end, cabinet kept going against ministry recommendations. Their covid response had become a political tool, not a response based on reason.
"My wife is a therapist, trust me bro" is not the evidentiary argument you seem to think it is.
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We had less deaths than we would have had normally. We also saved a bucket load of jobs by supporting businesses. We, objectively, did better than pretty much anyone else. What seems to continually escape people's attention is that the NZ health system is shit. We have fuck all hospital beds and fuck all staff. Letting the virus run free would have overrun our system in days. A better health system that ours might have more options than we did, but as it was, we did bloody well.
I also lived through this, as did everybody i know and care about.
Everyone wants to talk about fascism these days, but give covid restrictions a complete pass. I've never seen anything like that in my lifetime, where you actually couldn't go to restaurants without a pass, and had to have papers in order to justify being out in public. Even if you think it was justified, you have to acknowledge that it was extreme authoritarianism.
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“Those who think that Dr Blakely is a patsy for the previous government … you’ll get a huge surprise when you open that report,” he told NZ media outlet Stuff.
Can someone translate this to English?
"Dr. Blakeley is not a patsy for the previous government, according to that report", would be my guess?
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In this thread, many people making judgements based on incorrect facts and ignoring that New Zealand's biggest city had about a years worth of strict lockdown over the 2 year period from 2020-2021. In this thread you'll also find New Zealanders from outside of Auckland commenting about their personal experience on behalf of everyone from the country.
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