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Summary

The House GOP's new rules package aims to weaken minority party influence while advancing a pro-corporate agenda.

Key provisions include shielding the House speaker from bipartisan accountability and fast-tracking 12 GOP bills without allowing amendments, including measures to sanction the International Criminal Court (ICC) and protect fracking.

Democrats, led by Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.), criticized the package for ignoring economic and social issues like inflation and housing while prioritizing tax cuts for billionaires.

Republicans plan to offset these costs by slashing social programs, sparking warnings of further congressional dysfunction.

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[–] [email protected] 200 points 2 months ago (10 children)

"The American people did not vote for whatever the hell this is,"

Yeah, actually, they did. Millions of Democrat voters stayed home. Every single state shifted right.

McGovern added, "and you better believe that Democrats will not let Republicans turn the House of Representatives into a rubber stamp for their extremist policies."

You're in the minority party. Republicans have control of all 3 branches of government, and many state governments shifted right.

Simply put, what the fuck are you going to do about it? Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

And yet they'll still somehow get blamed for everything that's coming.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

No shortage of people that just stupidly (or with an agenda) blame dems for the shitty republicans. People on lemmy saying Reagan was Carter’s fault, for example.

That’s how abusers think. “Look what you made me do.” Look how you made me stay home and not vote so now we have trump.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (6 children)

People on lemmy saying Reagan was Carter’s fault, for example.

More recent example: People on Lemmy continuing to blame the return of Trump on Biden and Harris. Harris wasn't the perfect candidate, so of course the only reasonable thing to do was stay home and let Trump return to power. I mean, Liz Cheney showed up on stage to support her that one time. What else were voters supposed to do? This was all Harris's fault, dammit!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's not their fault in the sense that Harris was a bad candidate or Biden was a bad president compared to his peers. They were both fine but they largely stuck to early 2000s platforms (or at least could not overcome that perception) and people clearly want something different. Many can tell that the trajectory of the past isn't going to work out for them. Trump isn't a good response to that but Democrats are perceived to be categorically opposed to acknowledging the sentiment and adjusting course. It's not exactly rational but it is understandable that people in a bad spot aren't particularly concerned about things getting worse because from their perspective things are already pretty bad.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It’s not exactly rational but it is understandable that people in a bad spot aren’t particularly concerned about things getting worse because from their perspective things are already pretty bad.

Here's the part where I have to strongly disagree with the rationale.

I get it. You've (proverbially speaking) been in a hole for 4 years, and all you're being offered is a rickety old ladder that looks like it'll fall apart as soon as you go up a couple of steps. I can understand why the guy saying he might drop a nice shiny new ladder might look more appealing. But that's not what's going on here.

The guy saying he might offer you a shiny new ladder is also the same guy who was responsible for throwing you into this hole 4 years ago in the first place. And in fact, he's not even holding a ladder this time. He's promising to throw you a shovel and telling you to dig deeper.

That's why I disagree. It would be one thing if Trump were throwing around the usual empty GOP promises. But Trump, Vance, and Musk have all come out and repeatedly said they were going to impose hardships on the poor, they were going to impose tariffs on virtually everything, and acknowledged that prices would likely continue to go up, not down.

I understand wanting someone offering a better ladder if you're in a hole. But my god, the last thing you do is vote for the guy with the shovel.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

This, exactly. Most voters are poorer today than they were four years ago. Biden would have been considered a decent or even excellent president in the eighties or nineties, but his slow and steady policies were not up to the task of solving the damage being inflicted on people by late stage capitalism.

And in a completely tone-deaf move Harris refused to criticize this approach and promised to be four more years of the same thing. To voters, that read as "Four more years of your budget getting tighter and tighter." Against that, anything became a good option. Trump is the equivalent of solving a problem by throwing a molotov at it, sure, but from most people's point of view, at least it's a throw of the dice. They figure a chance of things getting better is more than no chance.

The same thing is most likely going to happen up here in Canada soon. If we end up with Pollievre it won't be because anyone likes him, but because no one likes the alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

That’s how abusers think. “Look what you made me do.” Look how you made me stay home and not vote so now we have trump.

Bingo. So many donvict supporters pulled this shit when donvict "won" in 2016 - "Obama and Hollywood made me do this. You deserve tRump." And yes, that is totally abuser type of talk.

It is expected that the demons on the right - like Tucker Carlson [1] - will use this kind of talk, but what is so damned infuriating is when the Enlightened Centrists (TM) and the "liberal media" say it as well.

[1] Tucker was saying that at some point, he may have to turn to fascism because of what the left Made Him Do, because "too woke" or something.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And they'll continue shifting right, blocking a meaningful progressive agenda, and promote neoliberal "nothing will fundamentally change" policy until they are completely consumed/eliminated by the fascist plutocracy.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The republicans have held the minority many times and obstructed the fuck out of our government. If Dems really care they can do a lot to prevent shit in congress.

We will see how much they actually care in the next 2 years

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

We will see how much they actually care in the next 2 years

It's a show. The only thing established party leadership cares about on either side is lining their pockets. The longer they keep us arguing about their disfunction, the more they rob from us. One class. Working class.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's easy to obstruct when you have any 1 of the 3 (house of reps, Senate, or presidency). They have none. The only tool they have is the filibuster and we'll see what happens there.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

It's also easy to obstruct if you don't care about having a functioning government at the end of the day.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

The only tool they have is the filibuster and we’ll see what happens there.

This will be gone the nanosecond it becomes inconvenient.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

Jokes on the Republicans-- Democrats like to watch [their party get effed]. So republicans are giving the democratic leadership exactly what it wants. We win again.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

Good news! That's what they'd be doing if they had power too!

/s

We need a DNC chair that's not afraid to normalize primaries against Dem incumbents.

Otherwise someone in Pelosi's district for example has no say in their representative, a bad incumbent would just deptess turnout until they die in office or a Republican flips the seat.

When an incumbent is defended no matter what and has millions in dirty money from the last general it's not a fair primary.

And for Dem voters, active primaries turn into increased general turnout because people are invested in the process.

The issue is the DNC has been run by people who put "party loyalty" above all else, which sounds OK until you realize the loyalty isn't to voters, it's to donors.

"Blue no matter who" doesn't work on Dem voters when they didn't have any say in the candidate. It's not uniting, it's blindly following. And Republicans will always be better at that.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But they did vote for this. Whenever I saw Trump speak, he always emphasized on how he will do tax breaks to the big corps. He never proposed a solution on how to help the working class people.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Less than half of all eligible voters voted. Yes, non voters essentially voted for Trump but it’s not the same thing as literally voting for and endorsing the dumb demented fat fascist.

The majority of eligible voters are just morons that have been successfully distracted and confused (because they’re so dumb).

There is value in the distinction, even tho that value may be quite small in context

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Non voters are even more dumb than Trump voters... at least Trump voters understand the very simple fact that there is power in voting.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

but it’s not the same thing as literally voting for and endorsing the dumb demented fat fascist.

In a two party political system it is. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

His idea of "helping the working class" consists of tariffs that don't work the way he says they do and a very likely catastrophic mass deportation program.

And people did vote for those somehow.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago

Right? Like, this is who we are, and who we are is stupid and easily manipulated.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (25 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The majority of people who showed up to vote did. Trump won the popular vote this time. The GOP were given control of every branch of government, and made gains in several state governments as well.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (16 children)

The majority who didn't vote saw a cookie-cutter politician and an authoritarian man-baby and thought, "Eh, either is fine." So their "vote" went to the majority winner. There are no redos because not enough people showed up.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

You don’t get to vote outside of your own state for senators or representatives. Voting in your state doesn’t change the fact that other states have different priorities, and sometimes it feels like they’re just completely out of touch. My state has a Democratic majority in almost every part of our government, yet we’re still stuck with a president and federal government that most people here didn’t want or vote for. It's frustrating because the system lets other states have so much power in choosing the president, even when it doesn't reflect the will of people in places like mine.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A whole lotta dipshits voted for lower egg prices, or stayed home, voted their useless protest vote or outright voted for donvict, because "genocide joe" or whatever.

But we are all going to get this instead, I guess. It's not like many normal Americans were not warning them...Gaza and egg prices will be unaffected by donvict, maybe made worse by his fumbling idiocracy.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Biden already said that the US doesn’t recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. Aaaaand Kamala ran on a pro-fracking platform.

I mean, jfc do you people have the memory of goldfish or were you just not paying attention in the first place? Proud to be one of the 13 million, personally. Have fun voting for Liz Cheney when she runs as a democrat in four years!

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Yes. They were flawed.

Explain to me how Trump being President helps the Palestenians or the environment.ve4sus a Bid3n or Harris administration.

Even if their policies were 100% in lockstep on Palestine and the environment (Trump will ABSOLUTELY be worse for both), there's a million other ways in which Trump is worse.

You motherfucers who cast votes for third parties, refused to vote, or really did anything but vote for Harris were signing a fucking suicide pact for the rest of us while pretending you were taking the moral high ground.

Everything that's coming is your fault. All the suffering, death, destruction - all of it. Your hands are bloody. It should keep you up at night, but your heads are so far up your own arrogant asses you no longer smell the shit you've spread.

When you had the choice to put up meaningful opposition to fascism, you chose not to.

Fuck you, now and forever.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I agree with some of what you said here, but I think blaming third party voters is a tired and disingenuous take. I haven't done a deep dive on the numbers, but from what I remember of election day even if every third party voter voted for Kamala she still would've lost.

People who refused to vote ARE a reasonable contribution to the loss, but I still think it's strange to blame the voters in a democratic vote rather than the parties/media who were supposed to create enough impact to make people vote for them in the first place.

Strategic voting is flawed not only in the sense that it's impossible to coordinate a strategy amongst an entire voter base, but also in the sense that it's counting on people to vote for someone who they don't want to vote for.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Thankfully, Biden is at least using his last hours in office to do something useful, like send Israel another $8bn in weapons.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Centrists are getting the policies they want either way (especially the genocide) because they're conservatives. Blaming progressives is just posturing to make sure the next centrist dipshit they saddle us with is even more conservative.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 months ago

Yes they did vote for it. They chose to ignore it because it was less important to them than [insert single issue] and they have blinders bolted onto their faces.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They absolutely did vote for this and sat on their asses and also didn't vote and voted for this.

Fuck you Americans, you wanted it, now we all get your shitty choices.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hey man i didn't vote for the assholes

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, the American people did.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago

Welcome to the kingdom of north America. United States is dead, this is the new fiefdom, and king Elon and chancellor Trump don’t give a fuck what we think or want.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

We didnt vote for a bottomless pit of our tax money to fund a racist-far rightwing genocide against Palestinians so Israelis can steal their land, either.

But here we are.

McGovern is cashing AIPAC's checks and voting how they say, so he knows exactly how this stuff works-- No need to play stupid. Eat a bag of ass, Rep. McGovern.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

yes. yes, they did.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Oh yes, they did. They voted for propaganda. Everything else is gravy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Yes they did.

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