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[–] [email protected] 126 points 2 months ago (3 children)

At this point it's literally a war crime. Claim denial and accidents all they wanted before, but if the sailors are outright acknowledging it was intentional to attack civilian infrastructure, it's by definition a war crime

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949?activeTab=1949GCs-APs-and-commentaries

[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 months ago (1 children)

War crimes don't matter anymore. Russia does them, Israel does them, the US does them. There is no justice.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Does Germany do them any more? How about Ireland?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Germany has supported Israel with weapons whilst knowing they were committing a Genocide, so the answer for Germany is probably "Yes", at least as an accomplice.

The answer for the Republic Of Ireland is as far as I know "No".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Sounds to me like war crimes are still a pretty good way to determine who the good guys are, then.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Russia has been using the list of war crimes as a checklist of things to do for 3 years

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Much, much longer than that. But yes, they picked up the pace again in recent years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Nah. You have just been paying attention for three years.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I don't think it's officially a war. So it's a regular crime and I think that's also better, because the victim country can react more quickly and more powerful.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Hang the captain and first mate, take the oil, sink the ship. This is how we've always dealt with pirates.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Scrap the ship, don't sink it. We have more than enough waste on the bottom of the various oceans and seas as is.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can responsibly strip and scuttle large vessels to help facilitate reef development

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough, but that's still a form of scrapping as opposed to outright immediate sinking of the vessel. Far too often vessles are sunk, mostly intact, and that is causing countless amounts of pollution in our waterways.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You are really bad at pirate

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

But you have heard of me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

A Pirate can be eco-conscious without breaking Pirate ‘code’.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They use end of life ships for this shenanigans anyway. They are essentially already scrap.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Does hitting a Russian warship with it at full speed count as scrapping?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In some civilized parts of the world, we've renounced death penalty some time ago and only the far-right wants it back.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"They go low, we go high!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If not wanting state sanctioned killings is your "high", you might have other problems.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Aim it at the port of St Petersburg and put it on full power. Let them deal with it

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

An extremely public trial would be more effective.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The head of the investigation, Risto Lohi of the National Bureau of Investigation, told Reuters the vessel was threatening to cut a second power cable, Estlink1, and the BalticConnector gas pipe between Finland and Estonia at the time it was seized.

"Lohi" is Finnish for "salmon". That's right. Inspector Salmon is in charge of this investigation. Thankyou, Finland.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh my gosh people Finland isn't even real. They're is no landmass. FIN-LAND. It's all fish! They're even rubbing our faces in it with these stupid names.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

This Lovely Bones sequel is weird

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I wonder if NATO is going to try and enforce a blockade where any ship travelling through the area of cables must be escorted.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

I hope so. And bill the “ghost fleet” for any costs.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Steal some of the oil. Replace it at correct stoichiometric ratio with ammonium nitrate or some other powerful oxidiser. Attach a detonator and tracking device to the ship. Don't tell the crew. Let the crew go free. When the ship reaches its destination, detonate. Halifax explosion, round two.

Fuck you, whoever would buy Russian oil.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You realize that a lot of Russian oil gets "laundered" and then imported to the EU? So you would likely blow up an EU port, which is like a double Christmas and birthday gift to Putin.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It would probably blow up the port doing the laundering, which is unlikely to be happening in the EU.

But it would even more likely blow up an Indian or Chinese port.

It doesn't matter. Like I said, I think this is a really bad idea. Mainly because it is collective punishment, and almost all of the thousands of victims would have had nothing to do with their corporations' and their governments' decision to buy that oil.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

I should maybe add that I don't think this is actually a good idea. I can just see that it's scientifically possible, and I enjoy constructing scenarios like this.

But to those who are riding Putin's dick, just know that these are the things the West could do, but chooses not to. And the fuck you to all buyers of Russian oil still stands. I don't care how poor they are.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Lock them up.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

"travel bans"? huh. you'd think the finish would be aware if russia wants their people back, and those people are free to roam the streets, they're gonna come and get em. these fuckers should be in jail, safely behind bars until trial.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They are still on the ship, and cannot get to land because of the lack of visas.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The crew isn't Russian though. Just hired help that don't care too much what they're paid to do. Russia doesn't care about their fate.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pay them to sabotage the infrastructure of Russia and its allies. Plainly all this crew wants is money.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ah yes that's it. Steal the oil, sell it, and use the proceeds to pay the crew to sabotage Russia and its allies.

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