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I'm not in the US, but it seems to me that the Republicans keep breaking norms and procedures, including politicising impeachment and ignoring illegal, immoral and plain bad conduct.

They also seem to be fine with not applying the same standard across the isle.

On the other hand, either Democrats follow new precedent, with even more devolving, or they keep the old decorum and get their asses kicked by Republican foul play.

What ways out of this spiral are there?

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[–] ExtraordinaryJoe@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea, but I think something will have to happen that affects the majority of Americans. Another sustained Depression for example. Republicans will have to crash and burn the country down before their voters will turn on them. They have to experience pain for themselves, for they have no empathy for others. They say they do, but they cannot. They say they are Christian, but turn their back on what they say his teachings are. I'm fed up and scared at the same time. I hit retirement age in less than 10 years. Social security won't be there for me. I did a terrible job of saving, I spent most of my paychecks on frivolous things like bills, rent, and food. I make good money now, but it's not enough. I know I'm yelling into the void, but it feels good to say it.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Republicans are already poor and victimized. But all they watch is political propaganda (Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, etc) so they blame it on immigrants and trans people instead of the rich who are robbing them blind.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As long as people believe Democrats are different from Republicans the spiral will continue.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

People believing that they're the same is the kind of mindset that leads to a Trump victory. Apathy rewards extremists.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, actually two folks figured it out over 100 years ago and wrote several books on exactly how to exit the spiral, including predicting exactly this spiral you describe to the letter.

Then y’all called us tankies and told us to fuck off, so nah. You deserve Trump and the collapse of America.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It was more than just two folks, but the point stands...

Except the tankie part. Nobody's ever called me that. Probably because I'm not a psycho

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Elite centrists have dominated the Democratic party since Clinton. They love to take a “responsible” center left position and try to grab centrists. Unions, minorities and people on the left have no recourse but to continue to vote for them because the Republicans were soo much worse.

Trump’s super power has always been his ability to say anything it takes to get votes yet deliver very little. Because of this he can say appealing things to unions and minorities who have been disenfranchised which undermines Democrats.

The generation of boomers who have lead the Democratic Party since Clinton is literally dying out. These next few election cycles are going to be interesting as the next generation of Xers and Millennials have a different opinion of government and are much more militant and vocal.

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

These next few election cycles

It's very hopeful to assume there will be another set of elections in 4 years or even midterms in all 50 states. We should be operating as if there won't be.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Try living here. I feel hopeless every time I go online or turn on the TV.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 2 months ago

The democrats follow newprecedent to a point but not such that it just breaks the law. Like they would not try to define a sentence in the constitution to invalidate the whole paragraph thus making a paragraph that was written by the founding fathers to nullify itself thus calling the founding fathers brain dead dumb fucks. That being said they did sign off on the patriot act and have not acted to nullify citizens united. I live in the US so I sure as fuck hope we can but its been going on since the 80's with increasing acceleration. One of my biggest concerns is the most recent coming of age generation has no experience with somewhat sane political discourse.

[–] ECB@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago

The Republicans are much better about using topics they don't care as much about to generate support so they can achieve the ones they do.

The Democrats tend to want to die on every hill, which is ultimately a losing strategy.

[–] Lightsong@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Join your local advocacy organizations, volunteer and make the difference in your community/local area. It'll have more impact for you than you can ever do via federal level.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago

Emigration or civil war, I'd wager. My home country will be a fascist state during my lifetime, as I've been saying for about three to four years.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I’m still optimistic. While the severity of the current shitshow is unprecedented, the reality is we tend to bounce left and right. One side gets in power and does (or doesn’t) shit, until people get pissed off and elect the other side.

I am more worried about the death of media and rise of streaming. Just like the rise of TV changed who could be elected and how, new media is also changing that. So far new media helps elect people with dark skills, people farther from anyone you’d want governing. It’s not pretty, it’s not good, and it’s getting worse before it gets better. Truth doesn’t matter, echo chambers matter, outrage matters.

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