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Yeah, but the fetus can eventually be used for slave labor, including the production of more slaves. The male chicks are more useful being shredded for cheap slave fodder. If we generate enough value for our masters in this way, they'll let us join them. Blessed be the fruit.
be used for slave labor, including the production of more slaves.
That's the theory they had. Turns out humans don't breed that well in captivity. In practice the birth rate keeps dropping and is now way below replacement rates.
I know you're going for the joke, but it's way to close to why a lot of these people want to outlaw reproductive healthcare.
In reality, humans have more children in bad circumstances, and less when we're educated, have life options, don't need children to work as labor for the family, don't need them to provide for us when we get old, and have confidence that they'll survive.
In bad times we have a lot of children for better odds and more hands to do work, and in good times we have fewer to concentrate our resources on.
It's why they want to ban reproductive healthcare and tank the economy: in 20 years there'll be a wave of economic demand and labor supply. That the individual will be broke, have no future, and no education is irrelevant.
In bad times we have a lot of children for better odds and more hands to do work,
That used to be true until children were not allowed to work anymore. They're quietly trying to roll that child labor of course.
in 20 years there’ll be a wave of economic demand and labor supply.
By that time, people are competing against humanoid robots and office AI to see who can do the job the cheapest. Humans are in the end not going to win that race. Robots and AI are a bit silly now but are getting better and cheaper quickly. There will buy a lot of labor supply, but with most people in a trailer park trash existence there won't be that much demand.
Laws preventing all forms of chick culling exist in Germany, France, and Luxembourg. Switzerland and Austria forbid shredding but allowing gasing male chicks (Austrians really love their gas chambers). There are ongoing discussions about forbidding the practice in most of Western Europe (AFAIK only the UK doesn't have ongoing discussions).
Austrians really love their gas chambers
They're like Alabama, Arizona, California, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Wyoming in that aspect.
Technically, California hasn't used that method of execution since 1993, but that's still a lot more recent than your Austrian with the funny moustache 🤷
Is that really a good thing for the animals though? Instead of being killed right away, they will suffer a short miserable life, then be killed.
In Germany the eggs are tested early on the incubation period and if they are male, they are never hatched.
While I absolutely agree with the sentiment here, I doubt it'd convince anyone remotely "pro-life" - because one's "just a chicken", and the other's human.
I mean Christ, if you can't get them to sympathise with the life carrying the fetus, you're not gonna succeed with a random chicken's.
Yeah, I get the impression that the thing that drives most pro-lifers is religion (or their twisted interpretation thereof), not compassion. And as far as I'm aware, their religion doesn't consider animals to even have souls but rather sees them as tools for humankind to use, provided to us.
Unless you account for them thinking of the carrier as just that. A means to an end.
All right I'm convinced, we should be eating fetuses
Why did they forget to put in the bullet of them both being delicious?
Shredding alive for... Eggs? 🤔
Edit: appreciate the replies! I actually already knew that, I think the verbage just threw me off. Poor chickies
Basically, male chicks are worthless on egg farms. They all get put into a macerator to be disposed of. The rate at which they do this is unfathomable at a single farm alone.
Male chicks are largely considered a waste-product of the poultry industry, you don't need many males to maintain the population. It's cheaper and easier to identify them once they hatch, at which point they have no economic value and so are killed.
Male chicks get shredded because they do not lay eggs.
Yes. Half the eggs you get in the supermarket actually come from splitting open the males rather than waiting for them to grow old enough to lay them.
oh my god this is why we lose all the goddamn time. why do pro choice people have to make the fucking worst arguments? this comparison is dumb for multiple reasons. viability is arbitrary and irrelevant, and most importantly could be subject to change. some people talk about the fetus technically being a parasite; that makes you sound psychotic.
there's one argument here: freedom over your own body. you shouldn't be legally forced to undergo an operation for someone else's benefit. yes even if the fetus is a person, it's viable, can feel pain, whatever. there's literally no other situation where that is even remotely legal. you can't be forced to donate an organ or blood to your own child. the only reason one is forced and one isn't is because of the general idea that men will be in one of those situations.
there's no reason to accept their framing on any of this and try to beat them in some sort of logical trap. they'll move the goalpost. they're not serious about any of this. this is and has always been about controlling the woman, and the counter therefore should be about the woman.
everything about the fetus is just bullshit. if they cared about the fetus they'd argue for its wellbeing literally at any point after the first moment of its birth but they don't. THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY BABY. why would they care about a goddamn chick? no it's always only about women. the baby stuff is a smokescreen to get you to argue mind numbingly stupid shit like this.
oh my god if I were arguing with an anti choice moron and someone "on my side" would butt in with "but we kill chicks though" I would smack them across the face. stop being weird.
Every vegan meme I see on here just further convinces me it's an elaborate joke.
I'm not a vegan but you've lost me. Explain your thought process.
The vast majority of aborted fetuses are not sentient. Sentience is the ability to know oneself exists through feeling. Yet in the US, there are laws protecting insensate biological material but not sentient male chicks ground up alive in the egg industry. I see the moral value of a day old chick as far more than a 14 week fetus since the male chick has sentience and can feel pain while a 14 week old fetus cannot.
Chickens are not even a millionth the value of a human life. Im pro choice but chill out.
Idk about that, with even just a few chickens you could feed a family of humans reliably. A creature's "value" ist not based on whether or not they're as smart or capable as humans. When I was growing up we had some chickens and they fed us with eggs for my entire childhood. That's some value right there.
On the other hand, we humans are devaluing their lives by mass-producing and mass-killing them before they're even grown up and able to show their value.
Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure my value is negative. I don't contribute anything to society, I simply consume and pollute.
It's all relative.
"I can excuse abortion, but I draw the line on animal cruelty."
Yes.
Reasonable take yeah.
Correct.
As thought emporium pointed out, egg based artificial meat is a pretty good idea.
Excuse me what? Chicken take 21 days to hatch?
They mean a day old chicken that has hatched. They are comparing a human embryo to a live chick.
If it is a male chicken that is not going to lay eggs, it will get shredded
To my knowledge they do not have an inexpensive way, let's be honest any way that costs any money is probably not going to be used unlessed forced, to find the sex of the chicken before it is hatched.
It's called chick culling if your interested in reading about how 7 billion male chick's get shredded each year worldwide.