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Elizabeth May suggests Cali, Oregon, Washington State join Canada or join British Columbia to form 'Cascadia' (archive.is)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In response to suggestions by a lunatic in the US Oval Office, Green Party Canada's leader Elizabeth May suggested Canada should invite western states Washington, Oregon and California join B.C and split from Canada to form the 'Cascadia' eco-state.

(Note this article is from Jan 8, 2025 and Elizabeth May has since become co-leader of the party alongside Jonathan Pedneault).

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cascadia. Sounds like a rejected Hunger Games spinoff. Let’s carve up nations like a rotisserie chicken because the Overton window’s been replaced by a funhouse mirror. California can’t even fix a pothole without 17 ballot initiatives, but sure, let’s rewrite sovereignty. BC would sooner adopt Texas’s gun laws than tolerate Sacramento’s NIMBY circus.

This isn’t secession—it’s geopolitical fanfiction. Canada’s already two polite arguments away from Quebec storming out. Cascadia would collapse faster than a Jenga tower in a MAGA rally. Balkanization’s a cute fantasy until Alabama starts eyeing your water rights. Keep your “eco-state.” I’ll stick to my prepper bunker—at least it’s got a shot at surviving the next zoning meeting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I was actually just reading a book a couple months ago, Blasphemy Online where the US fell apart and and several new countries formed after the US fell and Cascadia WAS one of the countries... so that's neat I guess.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

As a Californian I'll say that if they want to take our rights and go home, we'll take our money and go home.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wish my state wasn't surrounded by red states because I'd be down to join too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Colorado? I always want to include them in Cascadia nonsense but yeah geography issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As someone not in these states I would support all efforts to retain Colorado. There's a fuckload of critical infrastructure the USA requires that is in CO. It's on a short list of states the USA cannot function well without- NY, CA, TX, CO, IL, and GA are all too important to the day to day functioning to let go.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Alaska is surrounded by Canada yet it's still part of the US

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Terrible idea, that new country would instantly realize how awful it is needing to negotiate for oil when you have zero local sources of it.

The US has Texas, and Canada has Alberta.

You do not wanna form any kind of new pseudo country that doesn't have oil in 2025, you will have some serious issues within a couple years.

The only people that talk about any states or provinces separating are the people too ignorant of just how deeply they are dependent on all the rest of their country's exports, imports, and production.

Yes, even backwater places have an absolute fuck tonne of stuff they produce that you depend on every Just because you might think mineral mines, farms, oil, steel factories, forestry, etc etc isnt of major value, it is and you literally depend on it daily

You cant break out from that, but too many people have become too deeply dumb to grok how fucked their life would become if their specific state/province seperated.

You're cost of living would fucking skyrocket to levels you cant even imagine. So much random shit you currently take for granted still being affordable would vaporize as you suddenly realize "Oh yeah I guess we dont make that here locally do we, where does that come from? Shit it comes from there? I never knew they made this stuff, I use it every day! Now I cant have it at all? I can still, it just costs a lot more and is imported? Well how much does it cost? (spit take) IT COSTS HOW MUCH NOW?!?!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Note the idea was joining Canada as-is, or forming a "Cascadia". I think the latter is much much less realistic myself :)

I sure as heck wouldn't want B.C. or any Canadian province to split off from Canada.

EDIT: I think you're absolutely correct that separatists ignore their own region's dependencies on the parent state. Quebec, for example. The separatists there always hand-wave away the question of how they would deal with losing access to the rest of Canada's resources (physical, cultural, economic and political).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Canaforeton

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Hmm, pretty sure those states have a "lien" on them.

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