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[–] [email protected] 161 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A company that sells nazi merch is a nazi company.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure Shopify took down the site.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Took a long fucking time to do that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure spotify said to not comment about them selling Nazi gear

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Yes, pretty standard thing for a company to tell its employees. They usually have some kind of corporate communication department that will speak to the media. You wouldn't want employees just saying whatever on camera.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I’d recommend you contact any companies you’ve made a purchase from that uses Shopify as their backend. Tell them seeing the shop logo at checkout makes you feel uncomfortable going forward with a purchase knowing that Shopify also sells Nazi goods.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The fact they are still Shopify employees at this point is comment enough.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They're customer support. They're not making decisions at the company, they're just trying to pay their bills.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

And they likely work for a call center that shopify contracts to handle support

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

If you lived in a shithole one-room apartment in Bangalore you shared with 10 people but the meager pay from the call center job you have allows you to have two meals a day if you're careful what you buy, you'd "just follow orders" too.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not everybody is privileged enough that they can afford to put their morals before their rent, and that's no fault of their own. You're upset with the wrong people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hell, we see tons of keyboard warriors wanting to eat the rich but how many billionaires have been shot in the last year?

One.

OP would be the first to keep his job in their situation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

how many billionaires have been shot in the last year?

Zero. Everyone keeps calling that dude a billionaire but he was only worth 44 million. Luigi's family has more money than him.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because being in a company that sells such a shirt cuz you gotta pay bills is totally the same as partaking in the holocaust.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The road to the holocaust included selling armbands with the swastika too. But that wasn't even the point I was making.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret, large companies are not run by shareholders and management, they are run by the workers, even if they don't realise it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

These workers don't work for Shopify. Companies like Shopify contract out to call center companies. I'm not sure why that isn't clear to you.

These people are probably not even only fielding calls for Shopify. It's probably one of a dozen different companies they have to take calls for during their work day.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s not uncommon to watch a corpse float down the river or witness a bisection via train in India. I don’t think the chat staff cares. But using them as a barrier against rightful criticism is worthy of being called out or more

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What I (and the people working at those call centers) would give to lead a life as sheltered and priviledged as yours.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They're working for a Nazi company. If they're not starting the job search now, they're probably not far from looking into one of those shirts themselves.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Right now it seems a lot like we're in a nazi country. Did you move out or stop it?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Slow your interpretation on this one. I was with you 100% initially but as I am reading more it sounds like they removed Kanye’s store without making a comment.

I’m really good with that. Nazi shit should be taken down. Anyone that needs an explanation about why it should or should not be removed has missed the train.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Seems a little extreme to claim that it's unethical to work for a company because someone who uses their product did something unethical.

Guess we've extended "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" to "there is no ethics under capitalism" entirely.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You'd denigrate the forklift operator loading cargo onto a truck without first looking inside.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Except in this case everyone just got a good look at what's inside the container, and it's mostly Nazism.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Shopify is a Nazi company, or at least sympathetic to Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

because they told their front line support to say "no comment" on matters unrelated to Shopify stores? it seems like they took the store down, which really has little to do with the influx of support tickets and calls they likely got. I worked support for years -- this is amazingly unsurprising and I think the correct move, if they did indeed take down the store that is.

e: spacing

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How difficult is it to say "We at Shopify do not support Nazis*?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah I wouldn't be too happy if I was considered a Nazi for the actions someone else took with software I made.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

You repeat yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was thinking the "no comment" policy could just have been them working though the process to shut down their participation. A more direct statement would have been preferable, but it doesn't surprise me that they would rather get their ducks in a row before making an official statement.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, generally you don't want the front-line staff talking to the public about things outside their job description, because they could easily say something inaccurate.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Any time I've worked at a company that's had a big news announcement, they always send an email out first/same time saying, if any media inquiries or outside questions come in, please direct them to XYZ department. And that goes to everyone, not just support staff. They know the media can try to find other random employees.

it's pretty standard stuff.

The only thing not standard, would be if they told the support staff this, and then went radio silence and did absolutely nothing about it.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not surprising. There's a part of the Shopify careers site that has a letter you have to acknowledge that says (paraphrased): Care more about the ability to sell than what people sell, and if feel you might disagree with what people sell then this isn't the workplace for you. They really drill that point home on the site and in interviews, not surprising their stance is 'no comment'.

(I didn't get the job)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

The site is down now, but I'll point out that that policy probably gets used more for filtering out religious people who might take issue with selling queer, feminism, or even rock music related items.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah.

I'm sure that shopify is a shitty company, but this doesn't strike me as any more shitty than any other retailer.

I mean, you can't have your staff telling people to reduce the amount of plastic they buy.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hahahahahaha. Doesn't he realize that the original Nazis would have refused to call him a human? They'd call him ape just because he's black.

Anyways don't travel to Europe with that shirt. You'll get beaten or jailed the moment you step out of the plane.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: Do travel to Europe with that shirt, for the same reasons you said.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Do travel to Europe with that shirt

I feel nazis need to be proud of their hate, wear it and see its effects. And die that way so everyone knows why.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Give him a time machine and march into germany. Yo mr. Hitler, big fan here.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait he bought a super bowl ad to sell Nazi merch?

Yeezy, the apparel brand of musician Kanye West, is using Shopify’s technology to sell the swastika T-shirt. The Ottawa-headquartered commerce firm has yet to say publicly whether it will intervene. West, also known as Ye, bought a Super Bowl ad to direct people to the website. The store currently displays a single product named “HH-01,” a white T-shirt with the black version of the swastika used by the Nazi Party.

A current Shopify employee told The Logic that another member of staff, who is Jewish, had said on the company’s internal Slack messaging service they were uncomfortable that West’s store had been allowed to remain online for such a long time. The post had a number of supportive emoji reactions underneath.

The Shopify employee, whom The Logic agreed not to name because they were not authorized to speak to the press, said they first saw an alert about West’s store on Shopify’s Slack messaging system at around 2 p.m. ET Monday. In a response to the alert, someone from Shopify’s incident response team said senior leadership was “on top of it.”

Around 30 minutes later, support staff tasked with speaking to Shopify’s merchant clients were told to give “no comment” if a merchant asked about West’s swastika T-shirt and to end the chat if they established the merchant didn’t have questions about their own store.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

And a 30-second Superbowl ad costs $8 million.

The worst part is, now that America has really showed its true underbelly, he'll probably make all of that back plus a tidy profit.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure nazis can't wait to buy a shirt from a black guy

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If it was my company and I had the accesses I think the database would be having a hard time right now, and so would the backups

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would be exporting records from the database to excel and keeping a record of all the people buying this shirt.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Here is a breakdown of shopify and their support for nazi merch!

https://youtu.be/d8wiLv7TUe0

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

He knows there are plenty of racist that will buy his merch. Making money from them does not mean he has to like them. You know how capitalism works! Its all about the money!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Yeap, Tobias Lütke is our very own Canadian Muskrat... just as racist, just as stupid, just as full of himself

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