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2023 Japanese Grand Prix - [POST RACE] discussion thread (lemmy.world)
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ROUND 17: 🇯🇵 FORMULA 1 LENOVO JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2023

Circuit stats
First Grand Prix 1987
Number of laps 53
Circuit Length 5.807 km
Race Distance 307.471 km
Lap record 1:30.983 Lewis Hamilton (2019)
2022 winner Max Verstappen

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Williams needs to be bold and get rid of Sargeant asap. I have nothing against the guy, but he’s constantly crashing, sometimes more than once in a weekend. Mechanics must be fed up of constantly having to rebuild the car, and it’s costing a lot of money. Amazing he’s got a seat, and Lawson doesn’t.

Edit: and their reserve is Mick? Ouch!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

To be fair, Mick Schumacher did show improvement in the second half of the season, scoring points, reducing crashes, and closely competing with Magnussen.

Logan Sargeant’s did nothing of these.

While Lawson shows promise, it’s doubtful he’ll secure the Williams seat. Red Bull’s decision to keep him in their development program after just three races suggests they’re avoiding a “de Vries moment.” Ricciardo’s selection for AlphaTauri’s race seat might be due to his marketability, crucial during the rebranding. Lawson’s role as a reserve driver for two teams positions him for future opportunities in 2025.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, I’m not suggesting Lawson should replace him. It’s pretty clear he’ll stay in RB’s orbit, just in case.

Williams has Mick as reserve, but I’m not sure he’s the best option for them.

I don’t know what other options they have. Maybe asking for a loan from another team, but that’s a risk for the team loaning the driver, if something happens to one of their drivers. Or taking a gamble with a rookie.

But it’s clear they won’t improve and develop the car with Logan.

Now that I think of it… what if they ask Sebastian Vettel to help them? His experience could be great to try to make a competitive car.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Nah, it's time for Mansell to make a grand comeback. He and Bottas can fight for best mustache.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is this like a mazepin type situation where he brings in a lot of money?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I have no idea about money. I was under the impression that he was there mostly so Americans had someone to cheer for. But maybe he has some financial support. But with current rules, that’s not as important as it was in the past, considering the caps.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

James made it quite clear that the number of crashes were having a detrimental impact on the teams ability to develop the car

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, he's like a Mazepin or Mick level of driver. And I had no idea Mick was their reserve! I assume he's shared with Mercedes, kinda like how DeVries was last year.

Like I get he's a rookie. Rookies make mistakes and should be allowed to. But this is too much.

I wonder who could get that seat. The Williams Drivers Academy is pretty thin. Mostly F3 drivers, none in F2. Their most experienced Academy driver seems to be their F1 development driver, Jamie Chadwick. She won W Series twice and now is in Indy NXT. (part of IndyCar's ladder). If not her, they'd have to look outside their organization. Would Mick really make a come back? Seems less than ideal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

The thing is, you expect rookies to make mistakes at the beginning, but keep improving as the season progresses and they adapt to the category.

But in my opinion, he’s getting worse, making more mistakes than he should at this point, constantly making excuses, and looking totally defeated.

It’s similar to what happened to Mick at Hass. And I think the only reason why Mick is still at F1 is because of Toto’s support.

If I was Vowles, I’d ask McLaren to loan Alex Palou, considering he won’t have an opportunity to get a McLaren seat for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

@Dmian @wes They should steal Lawson!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What a time to be a papaya simp! Terrific turnaround from the beginning of the season to now.

Gratz to Max and RB I guess. Checo though...yikes

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They started the season admitting they were not where they wanted, and slowly improved to be at the front. Great for them! They have good drivers and it’s nice seeing them at the podium.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Dunno about slowly, more like nowhere for ages then the huge Silverstone upgrade. The most recent upgrade seems to be keeping them in position, at least on these circuits.

Cautiously optimistic for next season though, we could see a RB, Merc, McLaren fight, with the odd Ferrari pop up. Or maybe Aston will take another step. They'd need another driver though.

Lawson to RB to replace Checo I'd be up for that

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hamilton can go 2nd on WDC. 33 points between him and Perez.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If Perez stays busy taking out backmarkers it should be smooth sailing for Hamilton.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

He is taking gaps that don't exist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

honestly at this point I'm rooting for him to get it

edit: or rather what I meant to say is that at this point I'm rooting for anyone who can take #2 from perez

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Perez has obviously been told his '24 drive is in question unless he improves. And he's not responding well to that kind of pressure.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Perez keeps fucking up Albon's weekends. Like, I'm sure that Checo is simply under pressure and making dumb mistakes - but I fully understand that Albon seems to think it's personal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Perez is gone no matter what I think. I hope Hamilton gets the p2 in the championship it would so funny

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Got a chuckle out of the idiosyncrasy of Bottas getting screwed up by both Williams within a couple of laps.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Red Bull double DNF....Max still wins.

Safe bet, Sargeant is gone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

McLaren is the new Aston Martin

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And Aston Martin is the new McLaren

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

And Perez is the new Kvyat

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My thoughts:

  1. Perez is done. By far his worst race I think and really stupid mistakes. Plus getting out of a perfectly good car half way though the race is inexcusable. Do you know how much it costs the team to bring him and the car to a race? To have it just sit there when it has no issues is a massive financial drain.

  2. Max pretty much single handedly won the Constructors Title for Red Bull. His performances for them the title with little help from Perez. I'm sure Max is getting a nice bonus after this.

  3. Sargeant sealed his fate: he's definitely out soon. He's costing Williams much needed cash and simply can't keep it together. Lawson and Piastri are making him look really bad.

  4. Mercedes is stronger than Ferrari. They've really bounced back in a big way and Ferrari needs to up their game.