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[–] singletona@lemmy.world 78 points 1 month ago (1 children)

'time theft'

Right. Treating human beings like robots where any ineffeciancy or time taken to not focus on corporate overlords is bad.

Fuck 'em.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 40 points 1 month ago

Wage theft is the largest property crime in the US but the state don't care and parasite will do it if you let them.

Never give a parasite more than what was paid for

And current wages, it ain't much and hence I shit on company time

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Nearly half of US employees admit to time theft!"

Nah, it's the other way around. Company profits of any kind are wage theft.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I mean a company does need to make profit. Excessive profits is another thing.

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah the "great work guys, we doubled the EBITDA this year. Congratulations!...Here's your 3% raise" kind of sucks

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Yup, I agree. But you know, if I don't have that trillion dollars in my bank account yet, I can't afford to give you more.

/s

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nope, any profits not reinvested in the company itself, or the employees is wage theft. Full stop. Capitalism is a scam we've been fed so rich assholes can get richer.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think it's a bit unfair to blanket statement that capitalism is a scam. There need to be checks in place. Like, I agree it's not fair that me as a business owner can simply say "this year we are skipping raises, and I am paying myself 2 billion". There's no reason any one person needs a trillion dollars. That's an insane amount of money. Even 100 million is a shit ton of money. There definitely need to be checks in place, but I don't think communism is the answer either.

Nope, any profits not reinvested in the company itself

This isn't clear to me what you're saying "nope" to. How I said companies need to make profit? If so, they do. If they do not make profit they lose money, if they lose money they can't reinvest into themselves or pay wages. Or maybe I misunderstand what you meant by "nope".

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

capitalism is not only a scam to prop up our owners and make us slave away for them but its also destroying the literal planet we live in to keep them in power.

the only way capitalism can be good is when it dies.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

i like socialism. you can pick your poison from any leftist ideology that speaks to you.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@umbrella @cyberpunk007 Some big UK brands don't run on an "all money is for one guy" model. John Lewis (dept store) and Waitrose (supermarket) are a partnership: the staff own it. Then we have lots of Co-operatives but the main one is mostly known for being a supermarket: member/ownership is £1 and you can vote at the AGM, get discounts and choose charities. It's not perfect - they all exist in a capitalist system - but there are other ways of running businesses that aren't for pure profit.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

even if some people have the blessing of having comfortable well paid work. we want good work for all, not just a few blessed people. and you can do that by simply eliminating profit and turning it into fair compensation/free time. you listed an example of how yourself.

problem is, history shows capitalism always tends to monopoly. im not familiar with these brands you mention, but my country also had a lot of coops. still governed by a heinous system, with heinous shit happening because of it. as it ended up, the rules are very unforgiving to them and its hard to have one scrape by nowadays because the burgeoise demanded more profit.

same how they demanded we go back to work because the system cant fathom that we stop for a little bit to avoid the fucking plague. or how they demand some people to be homeless for a few to have hundreds of homes to rent.

we depose those who rule us then we can decide for ourselves.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No they do not. They need to break even only. Profit is the result of charging customers too much, paying employees too little, or enshitification.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No company wants to stay stagnant. They want to grow. You can’t grow if you’re not making more money.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Spending profits on stock buybacks and bonuses is literally the opposite of wanting to grow.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Worker productivity is like holding sand. It you grab it and squeeze it hard, it just runs through your fingers and falls to the ground. But if you cup your hands and support it carefully you can hold on to much larger amounts of it.

[–] arararagi@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago

Username checks out.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

My workplace installed desk presence sensors and has a stupid little robot roomba thing that drives up and down the rows documenting who’s in their seats.

Edit: this is the damn robot that we have to be seen by: https://www.globaldws.com/virbrix

[–] piracysails@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't know if this is a joke or not...

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am genuinely not joking. We on-boarded this bullshit:

https://www.globaldws.com/virbrix

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So obviously people at my work did this. They sent out an email warning us that abuse of organization property would be met with progressive discipline (like LWOP and dismissal)

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

having worked in a call center my response would be lol

these jobs can’t keep enough people as is, you ‘d have to kill someone or fuck the ceos wife to get fired

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don’t know about that. Where I’m at, the job market is not great so people stay where I work (me included) because the option is here or find another industry. The colleague of mine who taped a piece of paper over the robots sensors got suspended 2 weeks without pay for it.

[–] GuardYaGrill@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure IR lasers fry cameras - set one up in the robots path

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I would kick that shit like a soccer ball idc if i get fired

This shit should count as abuse and be illegal

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right but at the end of the day: you kick it, you feel like you took a stand, your employer either outright fires you or gives you a week LWOP and then you have less money (either temporarily or permanently). Cost outweighs the benefit for most at my work.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have the privlage of having a few months to look for a new job.

Evwry day we passively accept these changes we become indistinguishable from slaves.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Where I live there are no such protections. You find a job or way to make money or you fall behind on your bills which go into collections. The choice is between feeding your cat/dog/child, or standing up for what you know should be right.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No i mean my savings will last a few months

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago
[–] WhiteRice@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Best manager ever. Doesn’t chit chat and cleans the floor.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

More like makes false negatives and marked me 3 times this year (so far) as absent which required a total of 15 minutes in useless frantic Teams calls to verify my location to my manager across the country -_-

[–] ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man, what sort of ~~sweatshop~~ industry is this so I can avoid it?

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

I like how there's a ball on top, so you know where to kick it

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

there will be a $4.5 billion employee-monitoring-technology market, mostly in North America

Toxic workplaces being toxic. That said, workplace monitoring is mostly not allowed here.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 13 points 1 month ago

That was dystopian as hell to read.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

It results in a lot of performance theater. If being at your desk, key presses, mouse clicks and eye movements are the most important then you can expect a lot of long winded lists, reports and mails. There'll be people doing thousands of things manually instead of thinking about it and automate things. So much productivity measured and nothing gets done.

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

If they only spent this time and money on training the managers to...well, manage their employees.

Stop thinking "time at your desk" is a kpi and start measuring results instead. It cuts the crap employees that are worthless and that in and of itself is a reward to good employees and team morale.

I would rather have a productive employee get results in 4 hours and then leave than a crap employee who needs the full day to get the same job done. Then the good employee will learn to streamline it so they can get the job done in 3 hours and I win because my efficiency went up. They win because they get another hour of their life back daily...or dare I say, they want more work and I give it to them along with a pay increase.

[–] Disaster@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Just another reason to keep away from shitty offices then!

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People just need to befriend the IT dept. Who do you think is having to run this shit? Easy to bypass with a beer.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Short simple scripts can handle key presses, you can even add a little logic to ensure it doesn't follow the same pattern and give you a workday countdown to boot.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Cancer tech.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

So, in other words... Big Brother is watching