Work Reform
A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
Prediction: first big company to offer 32-hour work week at no loss of pay, with choice of remote or hybrid, will hoover up all the Grade-A talent.
They'll never justify it to the shareholders. This is just unrealized value.
So a private company without shareholders will be the first, then.
A company being private doesn't mean there's no shareholders, it just means the shares aren't publicly traded.
Correct. But being a private company without shareholders, as I said, means that there are no shareholders. :-)
That just makes the owner the sole shareholder 🤷♂️ They might be among the hardest to convince.
My CEO is starting to get ideas. I work at a startup, and recently they have been floating 60-80 hour work weeks. So far it has been an idle threat and is really just their hail Mary play, but big players doing this shit is really worrying as far as normalizing it.
I'm more productive than ever, and the punishment seems to be piling on even more work in order to chase those short term profits.
Unionise your workplace and force your bosses to respect your time.
I mean if they increase my pay by 50-100%, I'll "work" 60-80 hours. By which I mean continue to work 20 hours and pretend to work the rest of the time I say I'm working, while collecting the extra money.
By the time they figure it out I'll probably still come out ahead.
How many people are you?
CEOs and executives would be the easiest to replace.
Not to mention best bang bang for the buck.
Bang*
Woosh.
Don't worry, Luigi understood
It wasn't a woosh! It was a bang bang bang up job!
Ahh yes, another asshole who works maybe 10 hours per week wants the pleb to work around the clock to make him richer...
You wouldn't get it. These geniuses have highly efficient brains that are working every waking hour.
Another great example of why engineers should not be in charge of people, nor people's wellbeing.
Who else is an example of this? This seems like something that comes commonly from the MBAs that cosplay as techies. And while Brin is one of the few tech leaders who actually has any claim to technical brilliance, he has now been in management far longer than he ever was in a technical role.
Generally the actual term used is technocrat.
People opposed to them would generally say they get focused on the end result and neglect the human aspect.
This doesn't seem different than any other business dude exhorting his employees to do an extra grind for "the company mission" when it's really just for his ego and profits. Grind culture exists in law, finance, sales, etc. Anywhere that employees are not paid overtime for overworking (mostly, hourly plus commission jobs might have a low base rate and not care about the extra overtime expense).
Techies are particularly vulnerable to it as they're usually younger salaried employees who aren't as apt about demanding a personal upside if they're asked to sacrifice their personal lives for the company's benefit.
Where did you hear that? Technocracy means rule by specialists and technical experts. For example, in a technocracy, career bureaucrats aren’t in charge of ecological policy.
You can have a technocrat without a technocracy. There is no reason a technocrat cannot be a career burocrate.
Is this guy called a technocrat because he actually wants his engineers to rule?
this almost always an MBA, buzzword(you arnt working , if you are not busy)
That's quite sweeping.
People like Brin may be engineers - or have roots as engineers - but the heads of these tech companies are first and foremost entitled 1%-ers, who function as businessmen more than anything else.
The problem really is not that he's an engineer - the problem is that he's an asshole.
The Venn diagram of engineers and entitled equity-seeking assholes has been becoming more and more of a circle since the mid 90s (or earlier, I would have been too young to notice )
I really think you fail to understand how many engineers there are out there. Or how many disciplines of them there are. Let alone that many come across stand-offish in the fields of say, Civil Engineering because they are ultimately responsible for human life, yet people want to argue with them about "overbuilding" things.
Funny because I've worked on and off in Tech Startups since the 90s and what I've seen is the very opposite of your statement: post year 2000 Crash Tech has become more the Even Wilder Wild West Of Finance (i.e. no-rules hyperspeculative) and that has been reflected on how most of the Founders and Investors are people with backgrounds in areas heavy towards Sales practices (i.e. Finance, Marketing, actual Sales people and, more in general Grifters) and very few have backgrounds in actually making things.
The Techie with an Engineering background coming up with a new Technology or twist on Technology and making a successful company out of it that was common in Tech boom of the 90s has been replaced by money-men and those whose main skillset is to find and keep investors (so, those good in spinning a good tale, not making something that actually works).
If engineers have become more equity seeking, that's because of the truly insane amount of situations over the last decade or two of people working their asses of to make a company big expecting to win big via options they got and when the company does get big the founders and investors do some kind of financial swindling to make those options worthless and the more those founders and investors are grifters and similar, the more it happens.
People demand equity because the rules around it are a lot more tight than the rules around options which are a total joke and hence those who get options as motivation often end up with nothing when the company does make it big.
i mean kinda generalist there? are you using any piece of hardware that has an engineer as a ceo? (e.g nvidia, amd qualcomm all have ex engineers as CEOs)
eat the rich
Sergey should fuck right off!
Fucker needs a visit from Luigi.
Sergey should Google my balls
I say work 60 hours a week to build an AI to replace the CEO.
If elon is any example , being a ceo is a very low effort role, in that he's able to be the ceo of multiple companies, while playing video games all day and posting stupid tweets, and more recently, run a government department, all at the same time.
They wouldn't need all 60 hours
Another guy who hates his family so much that he'd rather spend 60 hours at work per week to stay away from them.
Classy.
Oh no, he doesn't work, he just dictates what other people should work
I guess I'm glad I'm not super rich. Seems like when you get super rich you become a complete idiot.
Says the guy a picture of himself could replace.
My odds of outliving all of these assholes keep looking better and better, as they pursue their every sociopathuc impulse.
I wish him a happy brain aneurism.
Rokos basilisk lite
What a cunt
The 40 hour workweek is WOKE!!! It came from that commie FDR's "NEW STEAL" and I hate the color green!!!!
Damn liberals forget that the company is FAMILY!! 60 hour weeks just means more time with the people who care the most bigly!!!
/s
I might be wrong, but he doesn't look like someone who's been leading by example and working 60 hours/week himself.
That's kinda what happened in IT industry...
Just build one to replace him and call it good