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Ontario will impose a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to New York, Michigan, and Minnesota starting Monday in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on Canadian goods.

Premier Doug Ford warned U.S. governors and vowed to maintain the surcharge until all tariffs are lifted.

Canada has already imposed $30 billion in retaliatory tariffs, with more planned.

Ford also threatened to cut power to the states by April and banned U.S. firms from bidding on Ontario contracts. A $100M SpaceX deal for rural internet was also scrapped in response.

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago (4 children)

As an American- Agree. The dumbfucks in this country aren't going to understand they fucked up, until the pain kicks in.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Except 2/3 of those states voted blue.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It sucks, but that's where we are at. It's not like the majority of the Dems are doing anything to actually fight back against this. If blue states get hit too, it might actually get them moving.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fair point. I just wish they hit more red states.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Same, man. I just wish we weren't going through any of it, but we have too many emotionally and mentally stunted people over here that have us in this situation in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Plenty of red outside the cities, though, and if they figure out why they're suddenly paying more for electricity, it may change a few minds about Republicans.

Of course, they're more likely to just blame Democrats for it, but one can hope.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Any foreigner should avoid visiting US or buying US products to put pressure too.

It is crazy to advocate for it, as I live in US, but this administration needs pressure from everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I'm discouraged to even buy American because Trump and the Republicans have basically turned that into a nationalist policy. I used to love buying American and local, but it feels gross to think that I'm supporting their agenda.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Pretty sure american products don't have much of a presence outside of the USA because they're actually low-quality and expensive.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm certain he's doing it for the wrong reasons, but it's nice to see the angry raging conservative attacking a genuine asshole for once.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly he's even doing it for the right reasons. His country has been economically attacked. Not to respond would just make it worse.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I suspect he's playing it up for the camera in order to differentiate himself from American conservatives now that they've begun turning on Canada. It's something I imagine we'll see out of Poilievre as well, because otherwise they'll quickly become unelectable.

Just remember that they were chums all up until this point, and that's still damning. Ford supported American conservatives all the way until the leopards turned to eat his face. Yeah, it's cool that he's going above and beyond to fight back now, but he still wants Ontario to act like Texas.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Not disagreeing at all. It's the standard right wing mode of operation, nothing matters until it affects them personally. It should be studied as a developmental disability.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (11 children)

The era of US-Canada being brothers in arms is over. I doubt US will be receiving any favors in the future without something in return. And if Canada chooses to expand their supply chains outside of the US, which they 100% should, there’ll be no coming back to a scale of trade as it exists today.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

I cut off a Canadian guy I was friends with recently, this guy agreed with everything Trump was doing.

Told him I don't associate with Trump supporters, even weirder you're Canadian (and lives in Canada)

He said he didn't support trump, but reads all the policies front to back and agrees with them.

I said ok, bye and blocked his ass, we can talk again when you get invaded and become 51st state you love him so much.

Wtf is going on?? He had some bullshit reply to everything like he was Canadian maga.

It basically boils down to this: Trump is a lying, racist, rapist.

How do you put trust in anything he says? I can show you 200 lies, with evidence, just in the last week. He loves Putin and himself, gives no shits about us. He's already broken long existing agreements with other countries, he CANNOT be trusted, no matter how good what he says sounds. His goal is to exact revenge on those that don't like him or have said something bad about him, his skin is so thin. You don't "accidentally" rape a person, he is an absolute terrible human being who deserves zero respect from anyone. Fuck Trump in the neck with a metal pipe.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I've met people like that here in the UK too. Trump has this incomprehensible charisma for arseholes the world over.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

There is no greater enemy than a friend betrayed

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You can replace Canada with any other country! Europe and the US aren't really friends anymore these days.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Glad Canada is sticking to I because they’re sending a message Trump that they’re not going to fuck around with him flipping the on/off switch on tariffs

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think the damage is done. I hope to never see American liquor in stores ever again.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m American I agree. Your country doesn’t deserve our businesses if we have a dictator running our country

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

We will be happy to come back as soon as America enacts stronger protections to prevent this from happening again and dumps Trump. Nothing wrong the the American people, it's just one American and one south African than are ruining everything for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're forgetting about the 70 million folks who voted for him. Terrible hateful folks

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

I'm ok with this and live in one of the affected states.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do what you have to do it's all good. I'm going to be part of the brain drain in this country. My wife and I are POC we are guaranteed first class tickets to death camps or be made slaves for existing. Our populations have been marginalized and kicked in the ribs for centuries. We have no reason to fight or to 'stay and fix the country' any more than the German Jews of last century did. I don't want to be made responsible for what racist whites have enabled to happen in this country.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've got quite the resume and I've been having trouble finding sponsors overseas. I would love to be a part of the brain drain.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I'm about to get my Mexican permanent residency 🥳

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

~~I'm waiting for him to tear up the gd damn Starlink contract that he keeps threatening to do, but hasn't done.~~

He said he's ripped up the contact.

Drug Fraud isn't known for keeping his word.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (6 children)

No offense but Trump would welcome these on highly liberal Minnesota and New York and be impartial to Michigan. These are not affecting conservative states.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It will affect the customers, who are rural. The states are blue, because of their cities, but the cities aren’t reliant on Canadian electricity. The rural areas are, and they vote red.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like it, but I'm a little confused.

Why does an individual province determine trade policy? Is this normal for Canada?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The deal is between the provincial utility, which provides the electricity, and the state utility. In the USA, the federal government controls most resource rights. In Canada, it's the provinces. Comparatively, provinces are a lot more powerful than states are. As I understand it.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When Trump said "America is back!" did he mean in the back of the line? Cause that's where we're at fellas.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

In healthcare, we've been back of the line for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can they get the Fed to drop the F35 contract for a European platform?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Why are mostly blue states getting punished for shithead? They should be focusing on red states. They’re the ones who voted for this nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

USA is USA.

People outside of the USA will treat you the same as you treat any other nation. Does trumps tariffs only target the liberal provinces?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Canada can't exactly cut off power to Texas

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Texas handles their own outages perfectly well.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

And Trump cares that these blue states will be cut off why?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hold up - if there is already a 25% tariff - IE tax - on Canadian electricity, does that mean that there is now another 25% tax on that electricity?

And wouldn't this have a slight compounding effect on the second us tariff?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, but us postponed their tariffs another month.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Thing that sucks tho, is at this point it doesn't matter if there's tariffs or not, since people have started preparing as if there will be. Worse, tariffs get integrated into an economy and are next to impossible to un-do. God 45 is so stupid

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Since Trump wants to complain about the trade deficit, Canada should cap exports to be equal to imports from the US. Poof no more trade deficit.

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