USPS was a fully self-sufficient dependable and inexpensive service for generations until stupid and unnecessary limitations were placed on their revenue streams and functionality. The end goal was always to replace them with a private entity that, by the nature of profit-driven businesses, will be more expensive, less efficient, will be a worse employer and have less oversight and transparency by the public. Also expect junk mail directly from your postal service from now on.
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Mmmhm, thanks Nixon
they have been trying to privitize it since Reagen, and only until GWB forced usps to fund 75years of pensions funds in advance so the gop can plunder it letter, is when they started to get into money trouble.
Also currently, one of family member is USPS worker and they have been stretched pretty thin, the turnover is pretty bad, they hire a bunch from somewhere else and they enver stick around long enough because its "wears down your body when your doing more than you should"
Don’t we already get junk mail directly from the postal service?
I believe what they’re saying is that if UPS or FedEx is now the postal service they’ll put junk mail for their services in your mailbox. What you consider junk mail is other businesses paying the post office to send mail (though you may not like it).
I will collect it and give it back to them. They can spend their money sorting it and trying to do whatever with it.
If it's a private company, expect that they will charge you more to send it back.
It costs me nothing to toss it into their collection boxes.
You assume that those would remain...
They will
There would be no reason for them to keep a free service like that when they could charge the consumer for it instead.
No company in position to purchase the USPS would have any conviction to show goodwill towards their users. Only quarterly profits matter.
It’s their business model. UPS and FedEx already have collection boxes and they’ve always been private.
Because their current competition, the USPS does so as a service that's paid for by your tax dollars.
Once that goes away, or is sold off, none of them have the incentive to continue to do so.
And in the end they will all eventually collude on raising the process for all of their services, just like every other 'not a monopoly' corporate collective.
why not just throw it away, instead complaining about it like other conservatives.
The conflict of interest potential here is insane, too. Suppose Wells Fargo buys the post office. Then they decide they want your grandpa's house so they disappear his mortgage payments forcing him into default.
How long until the leopards eat the faces of the people that voted for this on Twitter if this goes into effect?
They won't notice. Or they'll be happy because they owned the libs. Or it'll be Biden's fault.
Regardless there will be zero introspection or self-critique because they are incapable.
They 100% will notice, because the rural areas (which tend to be the most deeply conservative) will be the most heavily impacted. The USPS is the only reason many rural houses can reliably and inexpensively get mail. Shipping rural mail via UPS or FedEx often costs $20-50, if they’ll deliver it at all; Many rural areas are redlined by the shipping companies, because the companies don’t want to send trucks an hour and a half out of the city just for a single package. From a cost standpoint, that’s a three hour round trip for very little benefit. They’ll literally refuse to deliver the package, and tell the customer that the address is outside of their service area.
Shipping to those same addresses via USPS costs like a dollar.
But yeah, they’ll just blame Biden and continue voting red.
Trump will come out and say that communist socialist fascist drag queens are blocking our beautiful mail with their Obama deep state radical leftist agenda and somehow his supporters will believe it even though it makes no sense.
rural areas are very unprofitable for any kind of delivery, even for cable its pretty expensive.
The powers-that-be don't give a shit about your meaningless protests. March as much as you want. Hold as many signs as you want. That only works when the people making the decisions actually care about what you think of them and actually worry about whether or not you will vote for them in the next election.
Neither of those things is true. They work for the billionaire class and they have no intention of having fair elections ever again. So they can safely say "fuck your protests".
For all of it's bullshit, there is one thing you can say about the J6 rioters; no one ignored them.
It's well past time to learn that lesson. The fact that you all aren't firebombing government buildings by this point is a disgrace from a population of so-called "don't tread on me" proud Americans.
This is exactly what Mango Mussolini and his ilk want. They will then declare martial law across the entire country and accelerate Fascism. The USA is slightly smaller than all of the EU in square miles or kilometers. The entire EU. Not just some tiny nation like Germany that is smaller than some US states. Couple that with how the US economy is rigged so people lose their health insurance, medications, and die if they aren't working, it makes it extremely difficult for people to up and stop working to travel 3000 miles to destroy buildings.
Much better to rally every American citizen to just collectively get on the same page and play a long-game. This will take some time as MAGA comes to realize how wrong they were on their gambit to hire a felon with no business acumen, and they need to be welcomed back into the fold. They've been fed a stream of information poison for decades, so it isn't surprising how they were led astray, really.
Getting 300+million people scattered across the vast lands all on the same page makes it much simpler. Once a critical mass is hit, just stop doing anything. Employers can't hire scabs if nobody is working. The entire US economy crashes to a halt. Those billionaire losers can whine and complain on deaf ears as their profits evaporate. Once they realize the President really never had any power, and shouldn't, those pearl-clutching oligarchs that care about their profits will start understanding who they should have been respecting and listening to this whole time.
Many are already stocking up on supplies, medications, food, due to supply chain disruptions to come from "tariffs," arbitrary bans on classes of people, and other wacko illegal crap being pulled. The country will be organically ready to stop playing their games in under a few months.
America has literally no rulebook for this scenario. Big change will have to happen to fix it unless the US states grow a collective spine. Arbitrary violence likely will not effectively accomplish that goal.
As for the "Don't Tread On Me" larpers, they're just loud larpers - they are a tiny subset of the US population. Maybe they'll grow a spine, maybe not, either way they'll be welcome if they want to wake up and actually defend that 2A they purportedly respect.
So… do nothing? Get on the same page and play along? Big change will have to happen to fix it? Arbitrary violence? The people are supposed to be the government. They are supposed to have the right to protest when the government is not acting in their best interests. If peacefully protesting creates violence, I suggest that violence comes from the government—not the people.
"Change."
The word is "sabotage."
Just make the post office a banking institution.. This would be amazing for people who live in rural areas. We also need to revoke Monsanto's patents so that farmers can distribute seed without worry of being sued.
It'd be quite nice if the USPS integrated GNU Taler as its banking system, were that to ever happen.
Since, in all likelihood, we will have to rebuild it from scratch, might as well do it right.
Oh my, the systematic deportation and detainment of immigrants legally in this country and everyone turns a blind eye, but fuck with my junk mail delivery service and I’m gonna cut a bitch.
USPS is required to deliver to every address in the country. If this goes through, it will be like the ISPs, and people in areas where mail delivery doesn't turn a profit will get screwed. There are people out there using USPS for critical things like delivery of medical equipment or supplies.
They vote red in the aggregate, they get what they deserve.
Hard lessons are only learned in blood, this one needs to be remembered for a long time.
The postal union endorsed Harris. Your rhetoric is gross and vindictive about something you're clearly uninformed about. Much like the other commenter, your cynicism only benefits the fascists.
Solidarity is our only way out of this mess. That means building connections between groups standing against this regime, and aligning efforts on multiple issues. Don't fall for the trap they want us stuck in.
He's not wrong for being pissed at rural red voters. They voted for this more than any other group and they're going to be negatively impacted by this more than any other group. Causing pain to others is a primary motivation for many of them. Knowing that, it's only natural to hope they feel that pain acutely.
The fascists have been here all along, they fly their same racist fascist flag proudly.
We never properly dealt with them after the civil war, and Hitler even wrote in mein kampf how the south was the model for Germany to follow wrt racial purity, the Nuremberg Laws are copied almost verbatim except without the 1 drop rule.
The south needs to be taught the same lesson yet again.
The south rose again and we lost, if you haven't noticed. We're not in any situation to be having trials. Sadly they are, and they're carrying out their own tribunals right now.
If we want to regain any control of this system, we won't do it without a better propaganda game. Telling people we're going to come take out vengeance as soon as we can works completely against that sort of effort.
Be pissed. Use the anger. But maybe think of long-term tactics with a clear vision of what's real, and what's effective. Or don't, and enjoy a fantasy of power you don't have. Maybe it's comforting. I just think too many people aren't thinking strategically about what's actually needed to change things, even if some of those things seem repugnant.
And I in no way mean to suggest trying to talk hardcore maga into anything. It's the apathetic, uninformed, etc, that are the ones that can be moved.
I have had a long-term vision for decades, it basically involves waiting till the south goes too far (which they can't help, their narcissistic evil has no concept of self-restraint), and rallying the decent parts of America (ie the rest) to stand against them.
But we can't stand unless we admit the South is the unending fount of evil that it is.
100 years after the civil war they kept all the same features under Jim Crow, not because of economic reasons, but because they need to feel power from domination and cruelty.
I grew up in the midwest, they don't have that naturally, they're human, if a bit backwards, they mean well.
The south isn't that, they are the enemy of the world, and the only way they win is when we pretend they are normal.
they also got thier segregation methods from the south too.
Sorry, but I disagree. Trump Voters need to be taught a lesson if we're ever going to move forward. They're not allowed to feel regret, remorse, shame, or embarrassment for the next four years. They made their bed, they must lie in it, even if it kills them.
Now if you voted for anyone else (yes, even 3rd party), you should absolutely continue to fight like hell.
the president of the union is a trumper though, which is promblematic, plus you still have dejoy and newly appointed BOG trumpers.
Welp. I gave my last fuck I had to give in 2024. Too bad so sad that all those fucking hicks will have to pull up their bootstraps and get to work.
You missed my point.
What "point" do you think you made?
Every shitty thing this administration does is a shitty thing, they all deserve to be called out and protested against, and neither awareness, anger, or protesting are mutually exclusive to one issue.
You're just pissing into the wind.
They are saying that
There have been protests for those too. Media coverage of protests has been severely limited making you think fewer people have been fighting back than they have. Here's one in Dallas
Here's another in St. Louis
There have even been people protesting ICE during their raids and doing things like loudly telling people around ICE is there and about their constitutional rights. It's been effective enough that ICE has been complaining about how they are below targets
The USPS unions organized these protests against the entire USPS being dismantled. Sounds kind of like a thing unions should do. Privitizing it is way worse than just affecting "junk mail"
In various parts of the country USPS is the only place that will deliver mail to people because it's unprofitable to do so. Zero mail service nearby affects a lot. For instance, need medications delivered, you may lose that option
Super majority of those people voted for it. Oh well.
Harris had the majority in both of the cities I listed. 59% of Dallas county (which includes much more than the city of Dallas) voted for Harris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas
80% of St Louis city voted for Harris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Missouri
Nor is it a super majority either state overall. 56% of Texas went for Trump, and 58% of Missouri
There are millions who voted against this. Don't condemn them all
Lmao I'm not condemning anyone. Trump is. Ol Sirus on Lemmy had nothing to do w it. I'm just stating as far as these rural people go, really not that concerned.
On the one hand, no one here is downplaying this administration's illegal treatment of immigrants.
On the other, anything that helps my neighbors realize they are not fucking safe either from this administration's dumpsterfire is a small win.
There are protests going on about that stuff too. We can be upset about more than one thing at a time...