The song's pretty good, and I really like the movie-quality performing outfit. But there's a bit of a mismatch between the "look" and the voice, I would have expected something a bit harsher like a death growl almost. Moriis' voice suggests... some kind of sage in a cowled robe looming over a tome or an orb or something... But maybe that's played out and he's doing something new here...
this post was submitted on 26 Mar 2025
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He does a lot of dungeon synth / dark ambient with no vocals. Speaking of dark ambient, do you think it fits into this forum?
I dunno fam, ask the mods, kek. But seriously, there's been dark ambient posted here before.
This is good, indeed!
Sorry, I shouldn't have been flippant. I recommend you talk to the other mods @[email protected] and @[email protected] to figure out the focus of this community. Your options are:
- become more restrictive about what is posted here (I discourage that)
- keep the same current approach as stated in the sidebar: "An inclusive community for discussion of all things industrial, goth, EBM, and noise. Treating the labels with very broad strokes here, don’t hesitate to post. "
- become even more broad to include non-music stuff that is still related to goth/industrial. This is reasonable since [email protected] and [email protected] and [email protected] exist but are pretty dead.
Once you decide, I suggest you make a sticky post saying "[META] : ... something...." and say "hi, we're the mods, here's the policy we're working with, feel free to discuss here."
The Post Punk Community I created specifically States no gatekeeping etc. So of course I'm open to being open. Like I've said elsewhere genres are somewhat nebulous and arbitrary. Even the same artist can straddle multiple genres in a single album.
Postpunk itself being the grandfather of goth New Wave and all the other waves that came after it as well as alternative and Industrial. Trying to nail it down to something hyperfocused and specific you lose a lot of people's attention and a lot of content.
When I think of Goth, I think of dark music and dark art. Industrial falls into the dark music. I'd like to keep it this way, as long as the other mods are ok with that. Can I change the sidebar and banner? With the other mods input, of course.
Yes the only partition I tend to make is for Gothic metal. Not just because I'm not super fond of the genre. Though I absolutely love me some 69 eyes and the Birthday Massacre has gone a lot more darkwave in recent years. Though they were much more nu metal anyways. Nightwish or Ghost etc.
But also because they tend to have their own fairly active communities and a slightly different aesthetic. It's not a hard partition however. Like I said inclusive LOL.
I am not a fan of Ghost and Sleep token. Others may like it though. Maybe the baby bat's like that kind of thing.
Ghost is a very specific thing more just like a couple tracks with them hit right for me. I hear a lot of people talking about sleep token. OK well I heard Jack Packard mention it in a P stream a while back. But not listened. So much other stuff to listen to. But yeah I definitely think it's a few of the younger ones. Along with pastel goth etc.
I keep trying to get into Ghost and it just doesn't click, it bums me out a little because I want to like them. Their image is so awesome.
Don't feel bad I definitely bounce off of most of their stuff as well. A lot of it just isn't for me. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, you should be able to change the sidebar and banner, the other mods will know how.
When I think of Goth, I think of dark music and dark art. Industrial falls into the dark music.
There are a couple different ways of thinking about it. What you're describing reminds me that I've heard that in Europe they talk about "dark culture", as in:
Dark culture ... is a mixture of thematically related subcultures including the goth and dark wave subculture, the dark neoclassical/dark ambient scene, parts of the post-industrial scene (with the genres electro-industrial, EBM, aggrotech and dark electro) parts of neofolk and the early gothic metal scene.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_culture
Personally one of the things I like about [email protected] is that it's advertised as being fairly open-ended.
Diversity, inclusiveness, and gatekeeping at a minimum.
I'll make a new post to continue this discussion: I think it'd be good to get a sense of what the regulars in this community would like and expect. Broadly, I'm not in favour of being restrictive about what Goth is and isn't.