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A new Innofact poll shows 55% of Germans support returning to nuclear power, a divisive issue influencing coalition talks between the CDU/CSU and SPD.

While 36% oppose the shift, support is strongest among men and in southern and eastern Germany.

About 22% favor restarting recently closed reactors; 32% support building new ones.

Despite nuclear support, 57% still back investment in renewables. The CDU/CSU is exploring feasibility, but the SPD and Greens remain firmly against reversing the nuclear phase-out, citing stability and past policy shifts.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Due to an absolutely comical amount of disinformation on the topic. People are absolutely clueless about the potential costs in time and money.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That was mostly when they were rushing to shut down nuclear plants. Getting them operational again will be insane cost opposed to them keep on running like before.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Even before nuclear power was the most expensive type in the energy mix iirc.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

We're not saving the world by always choosing the cheapest option, that's how we got here

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (28 children)

Building, running, maintaining and decommissioning fission plants is so unfathomably expensive on the taxpayer its not even believable. They are also super prone to war issues because they are so centralized. With a few attacks you can take out most of the energy supply of a country relying heavily on nuclear power. Good luck trying to take out all the island capable solar installations and every wind turbine.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The costs in both time and money to build nuclear are due to regulations and NIMBY legal stuff, and not actually relating to the technology itself being built. If they can use some of the same locations then that should help

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The locations have all outlived their life spans already. Also there is no more expertise in Germany, the old operators went to retire. Also it would take more than a decade to obtain new nuclear fuel. Also also also

It's a wet dream of conservative politicians that want bribes from the electricity company ceos for implementing the worst kind of unneeded centralized power plant

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

getting back in to nuclear would be as foolish as dropping it in the first place. i swear i hate my government sometimes. a history of bad decisions.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

lacht in nuklearabfall der in der asse das grundwasser verseucht!!

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (12 children)

There's no good reason to be against nuclear power. It's green, it's safe, it's incredibly efficient, the fuel is virtually infinite, and the waste can be processed in a million different ways to make it not dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even Japan is restarting their reactors

Solar and wind are great, but major industrialized nations will need some nuclear capacity.

It's going to happen sooner or later.

The question is just about how long we delay it, with extra emissions and economic depression in the mean time.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This exactly. You need a reliable source of fuel for the baseline, which is where nuclear energy can supplant fossil fuels instead of or in addition to relying on batteries.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, nuclear is awful as a baseline since you can't turn it off and back on quickly

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

You're absolutely correct, and few people realise this. They think "baseline = stable power", but that's not what you need. You need a quick and cheap way to scale up production when renewables don't produce enough. On a sunny, windy day, renewables already produce more than 100% of needs in some countries. At that point, the 'baseline' needs to shut down so that this cheap energy can be used instead. The baseline really is a stable base demand, but the supply has to be very flexible instead (due to the relative instability of solar and wind, the cheapest sources available).

Nuclear reactors can shut down quite quickly these days, but starting them back up is slow. But worse, nuclear is quite expensive, and maintaining a plant in standby mode not producing anything is just not economically feasible. Ergo, nuclear is terrible for a baseline power source (bar any future technological breakthroughs).

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

There’s nothing green, cheap, or safe about nuclear power. We’ve had three meltdowns already and two of them have ruined their surrounding environments:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Mining for fuel ruins the water table:

A Uranium-Mining Boom Is Sweeping Through Texas (contaminating the water table) https://www.wired.com/story/a-uranium-mining-boom-is-sweeping-through-texas-nuclear-energy/

Waste disposal, storage, and reprocessing are prohibitively expensive:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rethinking-nuclear-fuel-recycling/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rethinking-nuclear-fuel-recycling/

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Now list all the fossil fuels related incidents.

Nuclear + renewables is the way to go to stop the climate crisis in the foreseeable future.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (23 children)

People really don't understand that climate change is worse for life on this planet than a million Fukushima accidents.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Three Mile Island was a partial meltdown, which may sound close to an actual meltdown, it's not even close in terms of danger.

Fukushima failed because the plants were old and not properly upkept. Had they followed the guidelines for keeping the plant maintained, it would not have happened.

That's not really the fault of nuclear power.

Chernobyl was also partially caused by lack of adherence to safety measures, but also faulty plant design.

I'd say, being generous, only one of those three events says anything about the safety of nuclear power, and even then, we have come a very long way.

So one event... Ever.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's more expensive than the alternatives, and comes with additional downsides. There is no good reason to be pro nuclear, unless you need a lot of power for a long time in a tight space. So a ship or a space station for example.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't go so far as to call it "Green" until we have a better way of disposing the waste that doesn't involve creating new warning signs that can still be read and understood 10,000 years from now. :)

If it's still a danger in 5,000 years, that's not "green". :)

Great story on the signage though!

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200731-how-to-build-a-nuclear-warning-for-10000-years-time

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's incredibly expensive when all costs over the entire construction period, operating period, dismantling period and storage period for nuclear waste are taken into account.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (17 children)

FFS, people are stupid.

There was a huge hysteria about nuclear when Fukushima happened. A clear majority was for immediate action. Merkel's coalition government would have ended if she hadn't done a 180 on nuclear and decided to shut down nuclear as soon as possible, which was 2023. I was against shutting it down back then but I thought you can't go against the whole population, so I get why they did it. People didn't change their mind until 2022. Nobody talked about reversing that decision in all these years when there was actually time to reverse the decision.

Now, that the last reactor is shut down, the same people that were up in arms in 2011 are now up in arms that we don't have nuclear. Building new plants will cost billions and take decades and nuclear doesn't work well with renewables because of its inflexibility. It makes no sense at all. It was a long-term decision we can't just back away from. What's done is done.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

nuclear doesn’t work well with renewables because of its inflexibility

Uuuuh, why wouldn't it? Nuclear can provide a steady base load for the grid while the renewables are providing the rest, filling up storages for spike times if there is an excess. Don't really see how this is a big issue.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The issue is nuclear reactors become more expensive the less load they have.

As we build more renewables, nuclear energy will decrease in cost efficiency as renewables and storages start handling base loads.

The problem isn't so much that it can't work, it's that it will not be cost efficient long term.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I like that you mention the point, Merkel's coalition made a full 180 turnaround. Which was an error. They could have just made a plan for phasing out the reactors until maybe 2040 or 2050. No, they had to stop them right away and now the existing plants are so gutted that they are not feasible to be rebuilt again.

Anyway, building new power plants takes centuries in Germany. So we should just focus on renewables *and storage solutions now.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Nuclear works well with renewables. It provides reliable base load while the renewables and batteries can be used on top of that. Plus the fuel can be sourced from friendly nations like Canada.

Also worth noting that 15 years is a long time. SMRs are starting to be built and France is planning to build a bunch of nuclear capacity in the near future which might mean the possiblity to import cheap energy or leverage the human resources from those builds.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (3 children)

There's nothing more to come. Nuclear power is slow and uneconomical.

Joe Kaeser, Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Siemens Energy: "There isn't a single nuclear power plant in the world that makes economic sense," he said on the ARD program Maischberger on November 27, 2024.

https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/farbebekennen-weidel-faktencheck-100.html?at_medium=mastodon

A fact check by the Fraunhofer Institute on nuclear energy states: "For example, around €2.5 billion would have to be raised to cover the nuclear waste generated. Overall, considerable short-term investments would be required." (for the construction of a new power plant)

https://www.ikts.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ikts/abteilungen/umwelt_und_verfahrenstechnik/technologieoekonomik_nachhaltigkeitsanalyse/oekonomische_analyse_nachhaltigkeit/241030_Fraunhofer-Faktencheck_Kernenergie.pdf

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Also the time it would take to build new power plants and get them to run would be something lile 20-25 years. We dont have that much time to get a grip on climate change so it doesnt matter annyways. Either we get 100% renewables untill then or we are fucked annyways.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

The CDU/CSU is exploring feasibility, but the SPD and Greens remain firmly against reversing the nuclear phase-out, citing stability and past policy shifts.

SPD, Greens, the power industry, economists ... basically everyone except the guys who wouldn't want a nuclear plant or waste dump next to them anyway: Söder Challenge

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I have been working in decomissioning npps in germany for over a decade now which is why I feel so strongly about the knee-jerk conservative BS. no, there are not -a million ways- to make waste from nuclear power plants safe. even material released from regulations (concrete from decomissioned buildings for example or soil from the ground) has some residual radioactive particles and just like alcohol in pregnancies: there is no safe amount of exposure to radiation, just a lower risk of provoking potentially fatal genetic mutation that european regulators deem acceptable. but that in and of itself is not really problematic. It is just that we cannot assume ideal conditions for running these plants. while relatively safe during a well monitored and maintained period in the power producing state of a npp that changes radically if things go south. Just look at what happened to the zhaporizhia powerplant in ukraine they actively attacked a nuclear site! And all the meticulous precautions go out the window if a bunch of rogues decide to be stupid - just because. and tbf whatever mess the release of large amounts of radioactive particles does to our environment, economy and society i would rather not find out. as others have laid out here, there are safer and better suiting alternatives that are not coal.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This is just straight up fear mongering. Say what you will about the economics, but the idea that there's no safe amount of radiation is ridiculous (we don't know, but presumably it's okay in some amounts since you're getting radiation doses every day even not living near anything nuclear).

The idea that NPPs are some unsafe technology just waiting to explode is dramatic and untrue.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's really sad to see that evidently more than half of the german population have an opinion on something which they have little to no understanding of. It's frustrating what misinformation can achieve.

Nuclear power might work for some nations, but there is just no way it makes sense in germany. All previous plants are in dire need of renovation and will be hugely expensive to bring back up and running, and a new one is just as overly optimistic, as major construction projects routinely go far over budget here, and nuclear energy is already not price competitive with renewables. Nobody wants waste storage, let alone a power plant near them, and it would take years until a plant is even producing energy. By that time, it might already be redundant, because renewables and energy storage will be cheaper and more ubiquitous. there is just no way nuclear power makes sense for germany.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I wonder how the answers would be if following conditions are added:

  • The permanent waste storage facility is built within 10 km of your place of living.
  • In order to finance the significantly more expensive nuclear power you have to pay an extra income tax of 5% for the next 50 years.
  • Between June and September you will not be provided running water, but have to buy bottled water, so cooling capacities for the reactors are insured even in 37°C+ weather.
  • During the transition period until the reactors are ready your electricity price is doubled in order to finance importing electricity from other countries, rather than building cheaper renewables.
[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (9 children)
  • 10 km which direction? If it's buried 1km down, you can stick it directly below my home for all I care.

  • not sure who told you that nuclear reactors cost half a trillion dollars to build, or are you thinking they would be building 30+ reactors?

  • closed loop cooling of reactors is a thing. There's zero reason to ever have drinking water restrictions.

  • this doesn't make sense. Why would the price of electricity double to maintain the status quo? I thought you were paying for the reactors out of income taxes?

Long story short, there's plenty of valid reasons to argue against nuclear power. Use those reasons, not made up bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (11 children)

It’s just more FUD trying to keep away from it. We’re still a ways off of 100% renewables and nuclear can very much help fill in that gap without reliance on foreign oil or fossil fuels.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Germany shot itself in the foot when it turned away from nuclear...

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (9 children)

No. Take a good look at France and their nuclear strategy. Both maintaining old reactors and building new ones is extremely costly. Building times are to be measured in decades. Nuclear power is not economically viable nor is it a solution to the climate catastrophe.

Returning to nuclear power in Germany is nothing but a pointless waste of tax money.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Keep looking at things from a money perspective and the solution become obvious : kill everyone and be done with it.

Today, nuclear energy is a reasonably safe, efficient source of energy. Is it the energy of the future ? Probably not. But is it an efficient option for smoothing the grid while planting renewable all around it? It's definitely better than the other alternatives. Does it cost money to develop? Sure. Everything costs money. But there are benefits that won't show up in an accounting book that can't be brushed aside.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Killing nuclear energy in Germany was the greatest success of FSB up to the point of planting an asset right in the middle of the Oval Office.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Southern countries (Spain and Portugal) have a lot of wind and hydro (and soon solar) power to spare. But somehow some "actors" are cutting them off from the rest of the European power grid. Looking at you France, your greedy bastards!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They asked 1000 people - not that representative and most of the German don‘t want a return to the 60s or 70s - at least no people voting for the backward-looking CDU or the Neo-Nazis AfD. And well - Southern and Eastern Germany. No miracle, unfortunately. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Statisticians have found that for many types of surveys, a sample size of around 1,000 people is the sweet spot—regardless of if the population size is 100,000 or 100M.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Nuclear is the way of the future. Its between that and fossil fuels realistically.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

just not true.innofact can f off. if you keep asking the old people, you will get old people answers.

when confronting the asked ppl with the numbers it costs to build a new one they all dont want a new one. not to mention the insurance for a plant. and from ukraine war we all learned nuclear ia stupid.

or go ask any of those fuckwits if we can store the waste where they live. numbers prove that around the plants the number of kids with cancer did indeed exceed all expections.

NOBODY wants a plant or the waste anywhere close to where they live.

"would you like cheap clean nucular(!) energy"

or

"would you like a powerplant and final storage near you"?

fuck innofacts hate campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (6 children)

We have an almost indefinite source of energy below our feet and almost nobody talks about. Screw nuclear, go geothermal

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