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The government said that Berrios’ apprehension was driven in part because she is an associate of the violent gang MS-13, which has Salvadoran roots.
According to the current regime and their brownshirts, everyone with either Latin family or with a Latin name is associated with a violent gang, and they don't bother to demonstrate it in court.
This is exactly the hell we've been trying to prevent for fifty years, and failed.
This is sadly also getting to be familiar:
“No, it’s false. My mother, she works really hard since she was really little, and she never had anything to do with gangs or anything like that,” Cruz Berrios said during a recent interview on CNN, adding that her mother came to the U.S. in part to flee gang activity.
Would she really admit to being associated with MS-13 if she was? No.
This is exactly the hell we’ve been trying to prevent for fifty years, and failed.
The whole project of liberalism -- the idea that we could slowly reform American institutions instead of upend them -- has failed. On anything close to the current path we will see no meaningful action on climate change, no significant redistribution of ill-gotten gains, and no lasting checks on the ability of the state to carry out the type of arbitrary brutality that's the focus of this article.
It's time to think about which radical changes need to be made most urgently, and demanding those changes as a prerequisite to supporting whatever political leaders or movements emerge.
This is why I'll never understand anti-gun lefties. Keep getting abducted by the authoritarian state.
Yeah, you're real tough buddy. I'm sure you would have shot every cop. They'd learn real quick not to mess with you!
So many gun laws exist today because Black Panthers doing cop watch. Basically they were across the street from police watching them during traffic stops with their guns out and it lead to a lot less people getting killed or mistreated during traffic stops. That's kind of a simplified history of it.
In my area police made some policies that lasted for more than a decade about not patrolling a certain area and then needing to respond with a shitton of officers if there's more than 2 people involved in a "potentially volatile situation" due to a bunch of people shaking a cop car and telling them to f off 20 years ago.
So blasting all quasi legal unmarked cops/ice isn't realistic or necessarily what most 2A people advocate there's plenty of history and merit in letting them know that people can potentially fight back, probably easier than you think to scare them considering a lot of the modern training is fear based
Lol wear a ski mask and go break a car window while someone is inside it, you'll make it no further than 3 cars.
That's not at all what I'm saying, but if the populace at large was armed these fascists wouldn't be so bold as to break into people's cars. These SS officers of the current day should be afraid to carry out their evil. The problem is we're so full of ourselves we've turned into pussies who are actually complacent with how the state disrespects us. Why do you think the working class keeps losing ground every year? We're more productive and efficient every day, but we lose more and more economic and social power by the minute.
But sure just keep calling me a tough guy while offering no real answers. I'd bet when they're knocking on your door you'll have wished you had something to protect yourself. I'm telling you now, America is cooked.
The population at large is armed, though. There's more guns than people in this country.
The problem is that no one is willing to use those guns to stop this.
I almost never see folks open carrying around me or anywhere I travel. Sure there are a lot of guns, but a lot of those guns are owned by a smaller group of people. I can't speak for most states, but it's completely legal to carry in mine, yet only right-wingers do. That's a problem IMO.
I think there is an increasing amount of people willing to be that tough guy tbh
Yeah just like all those "tough guys" that resisted Nazi occupation. Guess they were real silly to risk their lives for their freedom
In a nation where we don't have to constantly protect ourselves from the state, we should not need to be saturated with deadly weapons.
Unfortunately, that is not the state of things in this nation.
I'm the most staunch anti-gun European guy you can get, and even I'm starting to come around to that mindset in the case of the US. Of course it's absolutely horrible because it implies y'all going into civil war and like, you know, no one should want that, but it sure is starting to look like Nazi hunting season over there.
It absolutely baffles me to be saying that, guns/violence should never have to be in the equation at all.
When there's a growing danger of being sent off to a concentration camp for standing up for basic human rights ... well, a lot of things are starting to look real 1930 right now.
Here's a hint: it's (enlightened centrist/white moderate) liberals, not lefties, who are anti-gun.
It's absolutely not just them on the left that want to restrict guns.
That's true, but leftists know that since everybody else has one, I should too. That unicorns and rainbows version of liberalism is what gets you disappeared.
I don't see the need for labels in this regard. Right now, people of all types and backgrounds are picking up firearrns. Many people who were previously opposed are now seeing the need.
Wouldn't it be equally bad for her to brandish her weapon of fire at them?
For her alone in this situation? Yes, it would very likely be even worse for her (but still a silver lining if she were to take out an ICE agent or a few too). But if a community is armed and prepared to defend their members it makes it vastly harder for these fascists to just come and abduct people like this.
Guns alone are not the answer here. But guns paired with community is at least a .Major part of the answer.
The ideal would be if the entire neighborhood made the Gestapo agents disappear. No "witnesses". Nobody saw jack shit.
Then the state will have to escalate by becoming tankies: sending mechanized artillery against civilian populations. But it's hard to do that quietly and EVEN MORE people might get alarmed enough to take up arms against tyranny.
But I just don't think it's... likely.
People are too wounded and exhausted already.
There is no revolutionary spirit in the masses.
The economic hardship has done its job as intended.
People are too wounded and exhausted already.
There is no revolutionary spirit in the masses.
The economic hardship has done its job as intended.
Those three sentences describe my country around the 50's and 60's. And nonetheless, at some point, the people started organizing and the political police then had their fair share of scares, with agents and even teams being beaten to an inch of their lives.
The police had developed a fear tactic where around dinner time a few unmarked cars would park in the street and a few civilian clothed people would get out, calmly, walk up to a building door, enter, knock on the door they were going to enter, making sure they were noticed by the entire building or neighbourhood, kick the door down if nobody answered and drag people out - men, women, children, no matter - kicking and screaming, by their hair, and throw them in the cars, to never be seen again.
At some point, people snapped. Entire buildings started "welcoming" the agents, the door locked and the agents beaten by a dozen people or more, dragged out, thrown into their cars and driven away to be dumped somewhere and the cars destroyed by fire. The targeted family/house would be spirited away by the resistance, then linked to the communist party.
My own grandfather had his fair share of beatings and not even carrying a gun spared him. One guy told him he had a limited supply of bullets and even if he and a few others were to die, there were plenty to beat him to death after he ran out of bullets.
There is a point where everyone snaps and loses all fear.
You guys have a lot of guns in civilian hands. It is a matter of time until someone throws their life away and kills a few men hiding behind badges.
I was thinking the other day that if the median decline in quality of life had taken place over a handful of years vs several generations, the fightback would have still been there. The slow decline seems to have just sapped all will, belief, and even values.
So they wouldn’t let ICE inside their house to search for the grandmother, correct?
And then days later, ICE suddenly decides that the mom and granddaughter have “gang ties”, correct?
Riiiiiiiiight. Having “gang ties” is now the equivalent of cops planting a crack pipe on you.
Notice this always happens in states without constitutional carry.
Drawing a weapon would have only gotten them perforated. No this warrants a few pounds of C4 and the willingness to die to set an example.
Most people aren't willing to make such a commitment, even though all our lives are forfeit at this point.
You say this as if it is easy/possible for most people to:
I think they were more referring to taking action like a oklahoma city type thing. It's nearly as ridiculous to set up c4 in your car for this scenario as the people who keep guns by the bed and masturbate to the thought of a home invasion.
Difficult, but my point was that if we're going to respond with violence, guns will be not very effective. But there are other ways that will be.
ETA C4 is actually stable enough to be safely stowed, and is very hard to accidentally detonate. Typically we civilians have to resort to dynamite or homemade explosive compounds which deteriorate and are less reliable, either discharging when they shouldn't or failing to when they should.
Everything is such a disaster. I can’t imagine any value in sensationalizing a headline and article like this that isn’t motivated by driving traffic and distracting well meaning people whichever direction they can for their own capitalistic purposes.
Fixed: “Associate and suspected MS-13 member detained by ICE.
Nobody wants to watch their mom getting apprehended but it’s part of the game, you don’t get to play with gangs if you aren’t willing to have your life get a little messy.
ah, well if the gestapo insists she's a criminal, then it must be true! they've never been known to make a mistake or flat out lie before, it's absolutely unheard of 🤡
you don’t get to play with gangs if you aren’t willing to have your life get a little messy.
what evidence is there of this claim?
The 5th amendment tends to require indictment by grand jury before any criminal charges.
You are being weird about so some getting kidnapped off the street with no allegations that require evidence being made?
I hereby accuse you of association with MS13. Would it be acceptable to disappear you based on my accusation? No? Then fuck off, you are being a hateful little fuck.