Ada always demonstrates such incredible skill as an admin it's like she's taken classes. It blows my mind consistently.
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She shuts down hatred with such sincere grace that itβs impressive. Personally, I admire her restraint most of all.
She frequently deals with idiots and jerks. Hints at condescension or sly insults would be easy, but she effortlessly avoids stooping to such a level. She stays laser-focused on the topic. Behavior like that makes her comments even more powerful.
You deserve to see this @https://fedia.io/u/@[email protected] Thanks for all your hard work!
Edit: that tag is sloppy as hell. I still donβt know what Iβm doing lol please donβt hold it against me
that tag is sloppy as hell. I still donβt know what Iβm doing
I think you can delete the @https://fedia.io/u/
portion.
And even as user. She interacts elsewhere sometimes, and I swear, she's one of the most easy to deal with people on lemmy when there's a disagreement.
Fiendishly unwavering for her community, and trans rights, but absolutely wonderful to talk to. Nothing but respect for Ada from me.
This is sarcasm right?
ignoring hate, is promoting hate; eff those Admins.
Defederating because single user on fedia.uk was controversial, and global admins weren't intervening... I recommend keeping away from any social media and living in a concrete bunker with no internet access.
Defederating is fine.
Different instances have different rules, policies, and procedures. That's a large part of the reason for having different instances. If your instance will not tolerate what is going on on a specific instance, then defederating is the correct tool for the job.
If users disagree with the change or feel they're missing out on something important, they're free to migrate to a space that is more right for them, including hosting their own instance with their own rules and decisions.
This is the exact justification I give for deporting all of the conservatives to Florida.
Does that include the British ones?
Yeah. If they don't like what is being said on certain instances and/or how the admins handle it, they should start their own!
Oh, wait. That's exactly what happened and this is the system working as intended.
It looks like it's not because of the user, but because of how the admins tolerate such behavior. That seems reasonable to me. Just another sign of the horrible transphobia that the UK has become known for.
Conteoversy aside, what blahaj admin expects is simply infeasible at a large scale. Micromanaging growing social media platform isn't possible beyond certain size of the userbase
It sounds like you agree that they are right to manage the size of the userbase via defederation so that they can maintain their expectations then?
As far as I can tell, she expects that, when contacted with proof that a particular user is being transphobic, that user will get banned. That sounds completely reasonable to me. Any social media which grows to a size where they cannot do that anymore has grown too large.
This seems like it was a single user, so hardly at scale. What happens if you tolerate at small scale is that it becomes large scale.
I completely agree that moderation is time consuming and hard but that doesn't mean hatred should go unchecked. A simple warning to users that they are in breach of rules does the trick.
I think it makes sense for them, their goal is specifically to create a safe space for queer folk, it's not a generic instance. The Fediverse gives defederation power, so it makes sense for them to use it, and if their users don't like that "isolation" they can always switch to a different instance. Even tho I agree that it seems to be a bit extreme, but I'm not their user.
You're right and have shifted my perspective a bit.
I was thinking this seems a bit extreme, not because it's an overreaction but because banning the user removes that problem while preserving more content from the rest of the instance. But the goal of the instance prioritizes the safe space nature over volume of content, and they're not ambiguous about that. It's not what I'd do myself, but that's probably part of why it isn't my instance.
@[email protected] and @[email protected] , would it be possible to address the transphobic posts/comments?
FYI, I won't be able to see any responses to this comment chain from feddit.uk users or admins unless I manually watch it off instance. I'll try and do so, but I won't see pings etc.
In any case, to address Emperor's comment, to avoid defederation and give the feddit.uk time to work it out, all it would have taken was a single response to my messages stating that it's being discussed by the admin team. Instead, despite twice highlighting that this is an issue important enough to defederate over, I got radio silence, whilst Emperor continued to post elsewhere. Even if it were not the intent, it came across as a deliberate choice to ignore my messages.
Federation will be re-enabled if they ultimately address the issue.
You are fabulous Ada, you are why I switched to this instance
That makes sense, thank you !
To be clear, there were no posts, this is about two comments by one of our users, both of which I personally pushed back on. We're still discussing what to do, but consensus takes time.
Address the comments or address the defederation?
I was the Admin who was contacted by Ada and that is a mischaracterisation of what I said. Our rules still stand that we won't allow transphobia.
Unfortunately, as the ruling on the interpretation of the law has recently changed, we are going to have to figure out how we approach this and that is going to require a consensus amongst the Admins, and an agreement on our wording going forward.
This is going to take a bit for us to work out (although not too long, we're getting there, I have been active on Lemmy but I don't call the shots, and we need input from all Admins) and if, in the meantime, LBZ feel we aren't moving fast enough and they need to defederate from us then that is obviously their right.
Our rules still stand that we won't allow transphobia.
Unfortunately, as the ruling on the interpretation of the law has recently changed, we are going to have to figure out how we approach this and that is going to require a consensus amongst the Admins, and an agreement on our wording going forward.
I don't get it. Why the self-contradiction?
No matter how many times I read this I still don't understand what's happening on your end.
I think they are trying to work out how to do so within legal confines. A legal battle can be costly for someone without millions and billions. Ultimately, these governments will not succeed with backward-facing tactics. Hold trust in the ultimate goodness of the larger population. This is just extinction burst of dying ideations.
What law is that? Did the UK just enshrine some sort of right to be transphobic or something?
Here's our answer, from the article linked in this post: https://lemm.ee/post/62470957
This came after the UK supreme court sitting in London ruled that the terms βwomanβ and βsexβ in the Equality Act refer to a biological woman and biological sex. The action to determine this had been brought by For Women Scotland, a campaign group which brought a case against the Scottish government in which they argued that sex-based protections should only apply to those born female.
That's why lemmy will always be niche. All the users who are on the defederated are not responsible for the actions of a sinhle user or the admins.
You will tell mw if you don't like an instance move to another but again there's no instance with no defederation to other instance