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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25042034

This post is "FYI only" for blahaj lemmy members. It is not a debate, and is not intended for non blahaj lemmy users to weigh in and offer opinions.

I recently received reports of a feddit.uk user espousing transphobia. Specifically, this was a feddit.uk user refusing to use the word cis, repeating the "adult human female" dog whistle, and claiming that trans women are not women. I approached a member of the feddit.uk admin team and raised my concerns and sought clarification of their stance on posts like this, where the transphobia is mostly dogwhistles, and "civil disagreement" on the validity of trans folk.

I was told by the feddit.uk admin that their preferred response is this kind of transphobia is to "sort it out through discussion and voting". However, the comments in question are currently more upvoted than downvoted, and little "sorting out" has occurred. The posts remain in place.

At this point, the admin stopped responding to my messages despite being active elsewhere on lemmy. When it became clear they were ignoring my messages and had no intention of removing the posts in question, I made the decision to defederate the instance.

I know some folk agree with the feddit.uk admins approach of pushback through discussion and voting, but this instance is not designed to be that kind of space. Blahaj lemmy is meant to be a place where we can avoid the rampant transphobia universally visible on nearly every other social media platform, and where we can exist without needing to debate our right to do so.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ada always demonstrates such incredible skill as an admin it's like she's taken classes. It blows my mind consistently.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

She shuts down hatred with such sincere grace that it’s impressive. Personally, I admire her restraint most of all.

She frequently deals with idiots and jerks. Hints at condescension or sly insults would be easy, but she effortlessly avoids stooping to such a level. She stays laser-focused on the topic. Behavior like that makes her comments even more powerful.

You deserve to see this @https://fedia.io/u/@[email protected] Thanks for all your hard work!

Edit: that tag is sloppy as hell. I still don’t know what I’m doing lol please don’t hold it against me

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

And even as user. She interacts elsewhere sometimes, and I swear, she's one of the most easy to deal with people on lemmy when there's a disagreement.

Fiendishly unwavering for her community, and trans rights, but absolutely wonderful to talk to. Nothing but respect for Ada from me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

This is sarcasm right?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago

ignoring hate, is promoting hate; eff those Admins.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Defederating because single user on fedia.uk was controversial, and global admins weren't intervening... I recommend keeping away from any social media and living in a concrete bunker with no internet access.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Defederating is fine.

Different instances have different rules, policies, and procedures. That's a large part of the reason for having different instances. If your instance will not tolerate what is going on on a specific instance, then defederating is the correct tool for the job.

If users disagree with the change or feel they're missing out on something important, they're free to migrate to a space that is more right for them, including hosting their own instance with their own rules and decisions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the exact justification I give for deporting all of the conservatives to Florida.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Does that include the British ones?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

Yeah. If they don't like what is being said on certain instances and/or how the admins handle it, they should start their own!

Oh, wait. That's exactly what happened and this is the system working as intended.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It looks like it's not because of the user, but because of how the admins tolerate such behavior. That seems reasonable to me. Just another sign of the horrible transphobia that the UK has become known for.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Conteoversy aside, what blahaj admin expects is simply infeasible at a large scale. Micromanaging growing social media platform isn't possible beyond certain size of the userbase

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

It sounds like you agree that they are right to manage the size of the userbase via defederation so that they can maintain their expectations then?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

As far as I can tell, she expects that, when contacted with proof that a particular user is being transphobic, that user will get banned. That sounds completely reasonable to me. Any social media which grows to a size where they cannot do that anymore has grown too large.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

This seems like it was a single user, so hardly at scale. What happens if you tolerate at small scale is that it becomes large scale.

I completely agree that moderation is time consuming and hard but that doesn't mean hatred should go unchecked. A simple warning to users that they are in breach of rules does the trick.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think it makes sense for them, their goal is specifically to create a safe space for queer folk, it's not a generic instance. The Fediverse gives defederation power, so it makes sense for them to use it, and if their users don't like that "isolation" they can always switch to a different instance. Even tho I agree that it seems to be a bit extreme, but I'm not their user.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

You're right and have shifted my perspective a bit.

I was thinking this seems a bit extreme, not because it's an overreaction but because banning the user removes that problem while preserving more content from the rest of the instance. But the goal of the instance prioritizes the safe space nature over volume of content, and they're not ambiguous about that. It's not what I'd do myself, but that's probably part of why it isn't my instance.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@[email protected] and @[email protected] , would it be possible to address the transphobic posts/comments?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

FYI, I won't be able to see any responses to this comment chain from feddit.uk users or admins unless I manually watch it off instance. I'll try and do so, but I won't see pings etc.

In any case, to address Emperor's comment, to avoid defederation and give the feddit.uk time to work it out, all it would have taken was a single response to my messages stating that it's being discussed by the admin team. Instead, despite twice highlighting that this is an issue important enough to defederate over, I got radio silence, whilst Emperor continued to post elsewhere. Even if it were not the intent, it came across as a deliberate choice to ignore my messages.

Federation will be re-enabled if they ultimately address the issue.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

You are fabulous Ada, you are why I switched to this instance

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

That makes sense, thank you !

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

IMO we need to allow discussion to happen between people who believe "adult human female" = Women and people who believe otherwise.

Else we just create echo chambers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

That's why lemmy will always be niche. All the users who are on the defederated are not responsible for the actions of a sinhle user or the admins.

You will tell mw if you don't like an instance move to another but again there's no instance with no defederation to other instance