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I use Ubuntu btw. Poweroff could use more write cycles on the SSD because it has to read everything at startup, but suspend has to keep supplying power to the RAM

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Power Off to secure that things get updated and resetting float integers in case they would go haywire

Poweroff could use more write cycles on the SSD because it has to read everything at startup, but suspend has to keep supplying power to the RAM

for this, I would say SSD is more valuable personally, so if that was my only reason, I'd suspend to RAM every time

My computer's generally doing stuff I have it set to do, so I don't suspend to RAM

Laptop gets turned off when going outside, also encrypted

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I use systemctl poweroff to power down my laptop at work since I'm not at the office thu–sun. My desktop PC at home never gets rest. 😔

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Suspend. The amount of power required to keep RAM alive is negligent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Depends on your setup :) My PC pulls somewhere around 80W just for RAM.

(tested by comparing the idle power draw with only one DIMM installed vs all of them)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I definitely shut down my systems from time to time just to make sure my network is configured correctly and shit doesn't go haywire because I'd rather have that happen than the power go out and everything comes crashing down

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Nearly always suspend. It just works for me and I've never had issues (Arch and Pop). I rarely, rarely have power outages so the end result is the same.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Haven’t needed it to, I guess even after kernel updates you can log off and log back on to set the changes.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I'm lazy and use systemctl poweroff! 😆

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I use poweoff generally. On my laptop, the cellular card prevents sleep, and my desktop often refuses to wake from sleep.

Honestly not much fussed about it as both systems boot so quickly that it's not much of an issue.

As for SSD longevity, again not much fussed about it. In the last 20 years I've only had 1 SSD fail so far. A 40GB drive that bought in 2007ish finally failed last year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Power off. I never used hibernation nor suspend (even on Windows) and as I don't use some of my computers for weeks, it just doesn't make sense to keep them suspended for so long. And now that I'm on Fedora Atomic Desktop with auto-updates, I would have to reboot regularly anyway in order to apply updates.

Only exception is the Steam Deck for which I kept suspend so I can pick up my games where I left off.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I use suspend on my desktop every night at bed time. Running Pop. Could never be one of those with a 24/7 on desktop, too much noise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I also just suspend, but it sounds like you need to adjust some fan curves. (or look into getting more/better fans)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, I dislike the small rumblings too even if the fans aren't spinning that much, thanks though!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Honestly, I don't understand why there aren't better silent PC desktop cases.

Or enclosures to put desktop cases in.

Like, there are people who make generator enclosures that route output through a muffler. That's a much larger pain in the rear, because there you need to deal with hot exhaust and welding.

Like, I'd think that I should be able to go get a box to put a PC case in in that looks something like:

  • Sound-absorbent foam on the inside

  • Some kind of heavy frame making up the walls that blocks sound, MDF or something. Sound-absorbent drywall probably isn't sturdy enough for a commercial project, though some people use it for DIY projects. Ship it as flat-pack, maybe.

  • An array of slow fans with air going to them passing through a 90 degree baffle. Maybe, since now you've got no real constraints on your form, put a standard HVAC filter on the intake, keep all the air going to the desktop dust-free and eat up a bit more noise.

  • Some kind of rubber flap affair to route cables in and out of.

It used to be that one needed physical access to a desktop for putting optical disk media and floppies in, but today, I virtually never touch my desktop, and USB makes it really easy to stick stuff elsewhere.

I went looking a while back, and AFAICT, there are basically two camps:

  • Large, high-markup rack enclosures aimed at people doing pro audio work, who have a whole cabinet of gear.

  • DIY things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I use a laptop, so I iust put it to sleep. I only restart it when I do updates or when the system crashes. I also turn it off (when I remember to do so...) if I leave it unattended in untrustworthy environment due to encryption.

I also have a mini PC, but I only turn it on when needed, which isn't often since I haven't really figured out what to use it for. It's running Linux Mint headless, because Mint fits my laziness. I can use it via Tailscale, but I don't really know what to do with it. So far it's been mostly useful with OpenWebRX, SDR++ server which also offers compression unlike RTL_TCP as well as being able to use any SDR++ supported SDR, and I also intended to use Navidrome on it as well. My intention was to just download full albums on there, rather than picking out individual songs, but I still have the urge to put all of it on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I use suspend with Linux Mint on my Framework 13.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I'm using suspend on my desktop running Manjaro KDE. To reduce power usage it goes to sleep after 15 minutes of inactivity and wakes up on mouse or keyboard input. Aside from some flaky kernel versions and after underclocking an unstable EXPO profile it's pretty stable, even games continue to run after wakeup.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I use the hybrid: suspend to ram, then after 2 hours, automatically suspend to disk - in the final state it uses zero power. And, if you have encrypted your drive (you DO encrypt your drives, right?!) then you need to enter passphrase on resume from hibernate, so safer if device was nicked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I could care less about the 5 cycles from 10.000.000 total cycles (dunno the actual number) at least for my desktop.
As for my proxmox server: 5% wearout

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

whatever happens when I click shut off or the power button on my pc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

After shutting down anything in use, I use suspend set for a 35-minute delay. Most evenings I listen to bed-time audio. Ubuntu hasn't been terribly reliable, works about 2/3 of the time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I close the lid. Ubuntu 24.04, fedora 41 and Arch. All gnome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Suspend, most of the time. I have a two handed Vulcan nerve pinch keybind that does that for the end of the day. A desktop PC doesn't have a lid, but that keybind is about as cathartic as closing a laptop.

This is actually different from how I have the desktop environment set to do it, which is the hybrid suspend/hibernate option. This gives me at least a couple of options without too much messing around. Quick shutdown: Use keyboard; Hybrid: Use GUI (which can be done by keyboard navigation too if absolutely necessary.)

The reason? There's a surprising amount of state, such as open windows, browsers, etc. that need to be set back up if coming back cold from a full power off and that bothers me more than maybe it should.

By rights, I should use the hybrid option all the time as it's technically safer, but it takes longer to power off and it actually suspends then unsuspends for a few seconds as it sets up the hibernation profile, which gives me the willies.

Also, the power grid is pretty stable here. If I was elsewhere I might be using the hybrid a lot more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I use echo o | sudo tee /proc/sysrq-trigger

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

sudo halt && shutdown

If I'm shutting down it's only because there is a problem causing a lockup

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Arch testing here. Suspend/Hibernate can and will break at any time, especially with newer s2idle-only systems, so I tend to keep suspending to a minimum, and also end sway before suspending.

Eg. right now I have to keep systemd-suspend etc. from freezing user.slice, as that fails and goes into an endless loop, ending in needing a hard reboot anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Power off.

I use Mint btw

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Pop!_OS, suspend. Rebooting causes Steam to forget about my second drive and I need to reselect it. I don't need to do that if I use suspend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I suspend so I don't have to wait for stuff to load up on boot

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

My work machine (Ubuntu) gets suspended at the end of the day during the week and shut down on Friday. It's a good balance between keeping my many programs running and ready and cleaning up regularly.

I always shut down my desktop pc (Arch, btw) as it takes just a few seconds to boot up.

My laptop (Arch) I shut down because suspend never worked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I just turn off the screens, and I have a usb switch to switch off my keyboard and mouse (a cheap usb flip switch + a small usb hub).

Reboots when needed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

No. Never let them see your next move.

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