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Nine people killed after car plows into crowd at Vancouver Filipino festival (www.cnn.com)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A driver plowed a car into a crowd at a street festival celebrating Filipino heritage in Vancouver on Saturday night, killing at least nine people and injuring others.

Some of those attending the festival helped arrest the suspect at the scene, who police identified as a 30-year-old man.

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“It’s something you don’t expect to see in your lifetime,” Kris Pangilinan, a Toronto-based journalist, told Canadian public broadcaster CBC. “[The driver] just slammed the pedal down and rammed into hundreds of people. It was like seeing a bowling ball hit — all the bowling pins and all the pins flying up in the air.”

He continued, “It was like a war zone… There were bodies all over the ground.”

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[–] [email protected] 165 points 1 week ago (5 children)

No motive has been given, although police have said they are “confident” it was not an act of terrorism.

I wonder what makes them confident of that. It certainly resembles a terrorist attack.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It means they double checked and the driver was definitely white

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Looks Filipino to me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He wasn't. I'm not going to post his name or race here, but he has been charged and his name made public.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I've seen the name now and you are right, Sorry, I've been superficial

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

This is the kind of uninformed bile that bots and provocateurs use, might want to rethink that readyfireaim joke.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What are you talking about, the victims weren't white?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Dude might have been drunk. If it isn't intentional, it's usually a case of too drunk or too old.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Or plain old mental illness

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I know it's a slim chance and I'm going out on a limb here, but something tells me the driver was a white conservative.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

I prefer to call them "Poilievre voters"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Apparently it was mental health related, and he was apologizing when he came out of the car

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's quite racist of you. Great job.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Video shows the person looks Asian. Probably conservative. I’d imagine a lot of Filipinos voted for Trump too.

EDIT: Filipinos. Not Filipino Canadians.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Going out on a limb that most of the Filipinos in that crowd didn't vote for Trump, being that it happened in Canada

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’d imagine a lot of Filipinos voted for Trump too.

Doubtful in Vancouver.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Seems like people already believe Canada is a US state. I dunno if I should laugh at the stupidity or cry that stupidity is winning

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No motive has been given, although police have said they are “confident” it was not an act of terrorism.

Let me guess? The suspect is white! I jest, but at this point it's probably likely the driver is a radicalized "conservative" than any other group.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

No. East Asian looking male with a history of mental illness.

Most likely the political component of this tragedy is how the Socreds closed regional mental health institutions in the late 20th C, and subsequent governments just swept the whole thing under the rug while homelessness spread through the province and mentally disturbed and unsupported people lashed out in random ways.

Now you have dorks and bootlickers like Mayor Sims turning a health system failure into an opportunity for cruelty and repression. Punishment will be the talking point. They will roll with that, watch.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why would you guess? You can literally just look it up. It's all over the news.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Cars are a terrorist threat! We should remove them from our streets.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Only a good guy with a car can stop a bad guy with a car though. Also if everyone in a crowd had a car, stuff like this wouldn't be possible.

/s for the people in the back

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Conservatives are a terrorist threat

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Actually, I agree. Put them underground, in a tunnel, where people aren't walking.

Walking > Bikes > Trains > Buses > fuck cars.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (8 children)

"car plows"

So we only call it a murder or a terrorist attack if guns are involved?

We are brainwashed and numb to car violence. Super sad that nothing is done to stop this from happening.

Cars need to go. Away forever.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Cars need to go, streets need to pedestrianize, and bollards need to go up to make sure cars stay the hell out.

To your point, imagine if this were a mass-shooting and the title were: "Nine people killed after gun shoots into crowd at Vancouver Filipino Festival". "Nine people killed after knife stabs into crowd at Vancouver Filipino Festival." It's so fucking passive as to be sickening. It reminds me of the "Man dies in officer-involved shooting" trope we see in US media because extrajudicial murder by the police is so routine and heavily whitewashed.

The AP gives it the same treatment. The only equivalent I could think of is "Nine people killed after bomb explodes into crowd", and you know why that might be written that way? Because it's not immediately obvious who placed the bomb. This mass-murdering psychopath is in custody; we can say "Nine people killed after man drives into crowd at Vancouver Filipino festival."

Edit: the death toll is now eleven, not nine.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Cars are absolutely not the problem here. Yes cars have issues, but using this as an anti-car platform is disgusting and shameful.

This is a growing problem with mental illness, racism, and the right wing. Focus on the problem.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah, the old "this isn't a ~~gun~~ car issue; this is a mental health issue". "You're disgusting for trying to make this ~~mass-shooting~~ mass-ramming about ~~guns~~ cars; this isn't the time(TM)." It's such a shame that the US is the only place in the world with a mental health crisis and that's why first-world gun deaths almost exclusively happen in the US, not in Canada where firearms are heavily reg– checks title Oh wait. It seems like "This isn't an X issue, it's a mental health one" curiously always seems to come back to "I want you to solve this nebulous, prolific, and stochastic issue in lieu of addressing the most immediate, concrete problem by regulating X because I really like my privileged position of being able to use X however and wherever I want and fuck anybody who suffers for or questions that privilege."

Why can't it be both? Car deaths have concrete, meaningful steps we could immediately take (pedestrianizing roads, adding bollards to pedestrian streets, reducing car dependency so fewer people own and drive cars, etc., and that's just for incidents where people intentionally use cars to murder people), but it seems like you happen to prefer ignoring the reality that designing cities around cars is horribly dangerous and dysfunctional. "Cars have issues"? Yeah, try reading the title to see one of them.

It's so obvious this attack was trivial to a point where it's not even settled that it was intentional. You think this man could've killed ~~nine~~ eleven people and injured twenty more with his fists? Seriously?? [Editor's note: they seriously compare it to being armed with fists in a now-removed comment.] Even a knife attack is considerably more difficult, and it has at least some minimum barrier that you need to be in some kind of physical condition to perpetrate one, that there's a minimal chance of escaping the scene, that there's more chance of stopping it early, and that a car attack can be done much more impulsively. Plus there's the matter that regulating cars is massively easier than regulating knives. A goddamn infirm 90-year-old has the capacity to perpetrate this attack. And what would've prevented it completely? A few slabs of concrete or steel that any decent pedestrian street would have. Make psychological and psychiatric care free under Canada's Medicare? Absolutely, do it. Do it right now; why haven't we already? Do I think that'd be as effective at preventing this attack as literally just some slabs on the street? No.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know there is a forest behind these trees right?

And I never said guns weren’t a problem, that’s you talking for me because you have no respect for anyone else’s opinion if it might challenge yours.

If you took the time to do the root cause analysis, you would have a different opinion of the problem. So, you can choose to keep your belief, or educate yourself. I’m guessing you go with the one that delivers the most dopamine.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (8 children)

And I never said guns weren’t a problem, that’s you talking for me because you have no respect for anyone else’s opinion if it might challenge yours.

I hope you're smart enough to understand what an "analogy" is? If not, here you go. "Analogy is a comparison or correspondence between two things (or two groups of things) because of a third element that they are considered to share." Hope that helps, champ. 🥰

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[+] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cars are made for transport, guns are made for killing. They are not the same.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Right here, right now, they can be compared to guns assuming this was an attack. Were it not for car-centric infrastructure, a car couldn't even have reached this crowded festival. There would've been trivial safety measures like bollards in place, but because we as a society collectively value vroom vroom over human lives, they weren't in place. With ~~nine~~ eleven killed and twenty injured, it was comparable in devastation to a mass-shooting. Just like when the US values pew pew over human lives, there are mass-shootings.

But you're right: they aren't the same.

Cars kill over one million people per year, and they injure and maim many, many more than guns do.
Cars are unnecessary in the vast majority of cases, but they're shoehorned into cities thanks to the enormous lobbying power of the auto industry combined with the widespread, entrenched propaganda that said lobbying has spent the last century producing. We'll rip out safe and affordable transit to make room for these financial black holes, but even the most tepid attempt to push back on this takes decades of activism only to be met with a ridiculous half-measure in favor of cars or nothing at all. (Actually, this last bit does kind of sound like guns in the US.)
We willingly subsidize cars (tax credits on EVs, free parking, parking mandates, vast road networks, etc.) instead of building the kinds of infrastructure that largely obsolete cars to begin with.
Cars are absolutely destroying our planet. They're one of the main sources of greenhouse gases, and car-centric infrastructure even exacerbates a major effect of climate change by destroying greenery that absorbs some of the heat (which consequently makes people more likely to drive in air-conditioned cars; rinse and repeat). They additionally spread particulate matter into the air that puts (especially poorer) people who live near major roadways at substantially increased risk of health issues. They divide populations of wildlife, and I could just go on forever.
Cars are heavily indoctrinated into children as a rite of passage into adulthood that everybody should own. Almost no consideration is given for those who don't.
Guns have an obnoxious culture to see who can own the biggest, loudest, most expensive, most dangerous, most overkill piece of shit, where you're seen as some kind of sheltered hippie liberal if you choose not to own one. Anyone who barely knows how to use one can own one, and– wait, sorry, that's also cars again.
I could go on about their infrastructure being an accessibility nightmare, being vastly more expensive, bankrupting cities, disadvantaging people in the inner cities who have to subsidize the car-centric suburbs and deal with their traffic, and so on, but I'm sure I have a character limit.

By the way, "guns are made for killing" can just as easily be warped into "guns are made for self-protection", and suddenly you can compare if their utility outweighs their ease of access and rampant deregulation – just like you can with cars.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The way too many people drive I'm not so sure cars weren't made for killing

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

"gun-involved incident"

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are a lot of areas that were designed based on cars. Where I live would be difficult for most of the residents without cars or something similar. The population density is too low to make most public transportation practical.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's because they specifically designed those areas to be car specific to serve the needs of the Nazi Ford corporation. "Population density" is a poor argument.

Just look up pictures of America 100 years ago. Trains. Streetcars. Trams. Buses.

Not fucking highways and urban sprawl.

By all means, live in your little suburb with your car. We just want the cities to be safe from the violence they bring.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good news, in those places a driver going off the road isn't going to hit a crowd of people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I completely agree. If you look at the comment I was responding to, though, you'll see they appear to be advocating a complete prohibition, "Cars need to go. Away forever." I'm just saying there are places where that's not practical.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Can mods do something about this thread? Everyone is engaging in friendly speculation that it was terrorism, because their lizard brains are remembering the Toronto attack. This was a mental health problem. The suspect was not a white supremacist. Go back to America please.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In this case I have too little insight. But it's quite clear how biased these reports are in Germany. Anyone not absolutely German is immediately a terrorist and every white, German dude is a confused loner. Media never suspects that mental issues based on trauma from war and refugee journeys might be a good reason or that guys voting for right wing extremists and killing "woke" people might have anything to do with their political views.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Maybe it's time to revisit our car-centric lifestyle.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ITT: hillbilly gun-clutchers who don't realize cars are only working when you don't hit something, and guns are only working when you do hit something.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

ITT: people who don't realize that none of us are supporting guns. We're drawing a comparison between the same ridiculous-ass logic that right-wingers apply to guns to try to stall and misdirect from concrete regulation and the exact same rhetoric people in this thread are making in defense of car culture and lack of regulation and safeguards around cars. Strict gun regulation is good; strict car regulation is good. Strict gun regulation would deter many mass-shootings in the US. Strict car regulation (including even basic considerations for pedestrian safety at the slight expense of cars) would deter car-ramming attacks.

"Why are you talking about ~~guns~~ cars at a time like this? I can't believe you're using this tragic ~~mass-shooting~~ mass-ramming to soapbox about ~~gun~~ car regulation. This isn't the time to talk about how we let ~~guns~~ cars be so dangerous and how the direct result was this ~~shooting~~ ramming. The real cause of this was a mental health crisis. Society needs ~~guns~~ cars to ~~protect ourselves~~ get around. What do you mean, 'Do I ever bring up this mental health crisis outside of ~~mass-shootings~~ mass-rammings?' Uhh..."

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