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Things are undoubtedly bad at Tesla. Its sales are dwindling. Its profits are plunging, as is its share price. There are regular protests outside its showrooms. The Cybertruck is a flop. And somehow, it’s actually a lot worse than that.

The 71% drop in net income it just reported may have been overshadowed by CEO Elon Musk’s announcement that he would be stepping back from his controversial duties at the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). But that drop is just one indication of serious financial sickness at the EV maker, problems brought on by falling sales for the first time in its history and falling prices for electric vehicles.

The bottom line problem at Tesla is its vanishing bottom line. A deeper look at its first quarter report shows it’s now losing money on what should be its ostensible reason for existence – selling cars.

It was only able to post a $409 million profit in the quarter thanks to the sale of $595 million worth of regulatory credits to other automakers.

But if the Trump administration gets its way, the company can kiss those regulatory credits keeping it in the black goodbye, too.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It was only able to post a $409 million profit in the quarter thanks to the sale of $595 million worth of regulatory credits to other automakers.

Without the regulatory credits, and capital gains Tesla would be $500 million in the red.
And sales continue to drop in all markets. Tesla is no longer competitive in China and EU, only in USA due to tariffs on cars.
A couple of years ago Tesla boasted the highest margins in the industry on their cars, now they are so low, that if prices continue to drop, Tesla will soon be at s deficit on every car sold if they try to follow, or if they don't reduce prices, their cars will simply be too expensive. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe they will get bailed out like the airlines did though. I want to see them burn, but nothing seems to work the way it's supposed to anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Airlines run on paper-thin margins and are critical to the economy and country as a whole. Yeah, we kinda have to keep them afloat. Tesla does not enjoy that sort of role.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Afloat. An airline.

I'm already out.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Or instead of trying to keep Airlines’s from sinking, we could invest in intercity rail, so there would be travel options. Imagine having a choice

[–] theotherbelow 12 points 3 days ago

Funniest thing about Tesla was the idea they'd make evs more economical and realible after starting in the luxury space. They did exactly the opposite and now shareholders are paying dearly.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It also wants to end the right of California and eight other states to demand tougher emissions regulations than the federal standards that would ban the sale of gasoline-powered vehicles by 2035. Without tough emissions rules at the federal and state level, there would be no regulatory credit sales.

The sale of those federal and state credits has been quite lucrative for Tesla, bringing in $8.4 billion in revenue since the start of 2021 alone, money that basically went straight to its bottom line.

Is this the greenwashing scam companies use to pretend that they are working toward a carbon-neutral production line? They're just speculating on future production and selling today's emissions to today's buyers on tomorrow's promise?

How fucked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Technically it’s the intended result. It helped fund one or more purely EV manufacturers for the future. Legacy companies chose not to invest n new technology for the longest time, but had to pay the price. At some point that price is too high but the innovators are awarded and the technology has become cheaper, so the surviving legacy manufacturers can adopt it. Ts a good thing that it helped fund a successful EV manufacturer by penalizing the laggards. That was the goal

The only real failure is the credits were apparently too cheap since legacy manufacturers still had to be forced, and are still regressing the first chance they get

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

What happened to moving the choice to the states?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

An Enron-like Tesla documentary is coming.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think it'll be more of an Enron slash Theranos docudrama... questionable accounting and overvaluation mixed with a superstar CEO stuck in a faking-it-till-you-make-it corporate death loop with investors drunk on hype.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Weren’t they selling like 3000 cars a day at every single dealership in Canada? Seems like sales should be fine.

Funny how now they are making money selling regulatory credits. Lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think your comment is misunderstood.

The 3000 cars a day were just for a few days before the government credits were set to expire.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah some people don’t get sarcasm.

Anyway I think musk took the Canadian credits and smuggled them across the border without paying tariffs so he could then sell them as US regulatory credits. It all makes sense now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Without the /s, it could have been a standard Muskie comment. Hard to tell online.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I'm often stunned that internet people take everything a face value, even an obvious post like yours. OTOH, Americans' read at an average of 7th-8th grade levels. Go figure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because they weren't selling 3000 a day. They were selling a huge number a minute, one day (maybe a couple).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (18 children)

Not good. There’s still some remnant of the idealistic vision, hiding from the Nazi.

  • robotaxis will eventually be a good thing, but it will be a long time before they’re profitable. I’m all for the experiment, whether teslas approach succeeds or not, but Tesla can no longer afford to stick to a money losing experiment
  • the semi has huge potential to disrupt the trucking industry and rapidly decarbonize it. While I do see other companies experimenting with battery trucks, no one else has the potential combining mass produced parts from other vehicles, mass produced charging stations and mega storage, nor are taking the risk to scale up manufacturing. We need to electrify trucking and like it or not Tesla has some unique strengths that may help them succeed first. We need this
  • these are teslas big upcoming efforts and they’re both an attempt to be revolutionary, which means risky, money losing. While I can get onboard the protest bandwagon, deprive the Nazi of his god level wealth, we need the EV revolution in trucking
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