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[–] [email protected] 163 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ah. So now we're merely 'licensing' physical hardware we paid for and have in our homes. right?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You always have with Nintendo products. They have always had very aggressive licensing practices. In the early days they were more flexing them on developers, but it does not surprise me that in the wake of everyone telling them that modding and emulators can be explicitly legal that they would turn that particularly litigious aspect of their family friendly brand on the customers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Afaik not in Europe. But the details are probably messy.

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't seem how threatening to brick a device is intended to help you sell more of them. Like I was seriously considering buying a Switch 2 even recently, but this is really the nail in the coffin. Why should I pay money for something that could stop working on their whims? Because it's not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

Because it's not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.

This is the part that really frustrates me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the wording here. Account ban? Sure, against TOS, etc. But affecting the device is a whole other story. Especially when prior account bans have come under dubious circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

youre not the exploitable target audience.

like legit 100% evil intent, cant even argue against that

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (13 children)

The target audience still goes online. Generally Facebook and mumsnet. Wait til it happens to one of them and the stories go round like wildfire.

With that market, especially at big luxury prices like a console, you exist solely on good faith.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, definitely gonna stop those pirates who soft/hardmod their systems and never connect to the Internet/run updates in order to dump their games or play pirated copies or whatever they wanna do! That'll stop them!

/s

Edit:

This seems to be more about their online account services and their updated privacy policy than anything else, but I still think my point stands, just not for this article.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The problem is when a new game is released that requires an update to a later firmware version.

I think I’ve had it before where the updates applied to the system from the game card.

Unless I misunderstood what was happening. We will have to wait for someone to figure that out.

I’m rooting for someone to home brew the switch 2 ASAP

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

You'll probably have a while to wait.

The Switch 1 was able to run homebrew due to a hardware exploit in the CPU which allowed injection of arbitrary code. The interesting thing about that vulnerability being that since it was a hardware vulnerability, it couldn't be patched out even after it was discovered.

Following that incident, I'm sure Nintendo has been working especially hard to ensure there are no similar vulnerabilities existing on the Switch 2.

That said, console hackers are an amazingly creative and talented bunch, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Hard to say. Consoles have certainly gotten more sercure and people finding vulnerabilities are far less likely to just give them out for free these days

But there is incentive to hack any console and nintendo has historically attracted the biggest dorks. Additionally they also seem to historically make pretty huge blunders, though the switch exploit was nvidias fault tbf

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure all Nintendo consoles have had a problem with being hacked. As far back as the Wii, people were able to run hombrew pretty quickly.

I think Nintendo just sucks at console security or maybe they are a bigger target due to their exclusives.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Firmware is dumped almost immediately as well, not a big deal to update a switch offline.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At this point I'm surprised Nintendo still allows people to play their games at their own homes, and not exclusively in official Nintendo-branded Play Rooms that only exist in like 6 places outside Tokyo and costs $20/hr to rent.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (7 children)

So a few years ago I wanted to play a Japanese version of a rhythm game that isn't available to purchase in the USA and decided to try my hand at modding my switch for this one game.

After(poorly) doing it, I wasn't able to play that game AND Nintendo bricked me. All my games on my switch that I purchased were unable to download or play anymore.

So I went and set out to mod my switch correctly.

Now if I actually wanted to give Nintendo money, they won't allow me to. So my only option from then on is to pirate.

They basically turned a potentially paying customer to a non paying customer.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (8 children)

So, this is a basic security principle. If the system of access is too "secure" or too inconvenient, people will create workarounds.

Need keys for all the doors every second of every day? You'll find duct tape on all the latches.

Password is 15 characters and changes every 60 days? You're going to find post-its under keyboards.

Spread all digital content across 8 streaming providers that cost about $180/y? Torrent time.

Nintendo wants to brick users for trying to play an out of region game they paid for? They'll never pay again and will reverse engineering your shit out of spite.

Same thing we saw with the music industry utterly failing to embrace internet distribution. Limewire and bearshare are their fucking lunch.

When will they learn to just make access easy? People, generally, would rather pay than pirate but when you start making shit difficult, nobody wants to play your games anymore and you see massive losses.

Meet your customers where they're at!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Similar here. Bricked my kids switch, so we modded it. Now we have ALL the games.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago

Well that's some fucking bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure that's illegal in most parts of Europe. Checking the article it says that the policy has only been updated in the UK and the US.

Sucks to be a country without adequate consumer protection, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

At this point I want Switch 2 to flop so hard they go the way of the Sega and start licensing their IPs on other platforms, giving up on consoles. A shame, too, since their tech is little kid hand friendly and the PC market doesn't seem keen on tiny screen handhelds.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

They can "reserve the right" all they want, that's illegal where I live, and they sell their devices officially here. I'd love to see them trying to hold this stance in court - even Apple lost here over a similar issue, so go right ahead and try.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

or alternatively communicated: “You will own nothing and you will be happy”

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Oh, you thought you owned that thing you bought? No. This is 2025. You own nothing. It doesn’t matter how much money you gave them. Yeah, gave them. Because you didn’t buy that stuff. You’re just borrowing it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can’t wait for Yuzu 2 to come out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Apparently Torzo exists already!

Also knowing how butthurt Nintendo is rn it probably means Switch 2 is vulnerable to emulation so not that long probably.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

That's it, I'm going to skip Switch 2 and get a Steam Deck next. And I'll stick to stuff that can run Dolphin.

(Learns that Xbox Series can also run Dolphin without modding) Well shit, I'm set for life, now just need to sort out the portable console situation

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

I'm gonna pirate some Nintendo games just out of spite, really.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Sony tried that in Brazil, but it didn't go as planned. The court ordered them to unbrick it, but they had to provide a new console because they couldn't unbrick it. And they paid damages.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

I've been pretty consistently buying Nintendo consoles, but I'm not buying this one. Not just because of this, but I challenge these assholes to brick the device I end up playing their games on.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Cool! Time to go to the sea for more nintendo stuff! Good think you cant brick a device you dont have control over 😘

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

I'd like to say their legalese is written in a way that covers more ground in the US, the most litigious country in the world. I would imagine if this was taken to court, their lawyers would argue that "permanently unusable in whole or in part" includes a console serial ban from NSO, or argue that it's the user's fault for bricking the console when they attempted to mod it, and Nintendo is therefore not liable or obligated to fix it.

But between the UK-ToS and US-ToS, Nintendo just straight up tells Americans that they themselves are going to break your damn console if you do a thing they don't like. That is absolutely dystopian.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I’ve recently decided to complete all the games we’ve bought on our family Switch before allowing myself to get a Steam Deck alongside my Ps5.

While Nintendo has some very good games, I think I’ll never buy again from them.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

i can't wait to pirate their new switch 2 games 🥰 its gonna be awesome.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's cool. I'll install Torzu on my ROG ally and play all the fucking switch games I want to.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

i mean if i had a specific nintendo console for pirated games, i wouldn't connect it to the internet

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wait, it doesn't appear to be the same within the EU.

Both the French and German EULA seems to say that if you alter a digital product, the digital product might be rendered unusable. Although my French and German is bad, so someone please double check.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don’t see how this is different from any other company. Xbox has forever done the same. I’m pretty sure Sony has too

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Microsoft and Sony don't brick your console if you hacked it; they'll ban you from online services and possibly deny any warranty claims if you bricked it yourself by mistake, but they don't make your device a paper weight.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sony may not do it, the same way Nintendo might not do it either, but both reserve the right to do so

Edit: If you take a look at the PLAYSTATION®5 SYSTEM SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT under "6. VIOLATION OF AGREEMENT; TERMINATION OF RIGHTS AND SIE INC REMEDIES", one of the possible actions they may take states:

disabling use of this PS5 system online or offline

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hilarious that this comment is so far down, Lemmy can be such a circlejerk.

Sony and Xbox absolutely reserve the right to brick your console. IIRC Sony bricks stolen Playstation consoles if they ever connect to the internet. This is nothing new.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Fuck tinendo.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Nintendo emailed me today saying something like they changed their EULA and if I didn’t do anything then it counts as accepting the new EULA unless I close my account. Haven’t had a switch in years, didn’t even like it and gave it away. Anyway I closed my Nintendo account immediately.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That corporation is still stuck in 1985 or 1989 (otherwise stuck in the Showa Era), trying to keep absolute control of anything it made.

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