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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Huh, framed like that, that seems like a wild statement considering he later went on to formulate his ontological "proof", which attempts to prove God's existence without relying on axioms (and in my not-so-humble opinion fails to do so, because it assumes "good" and "evil" to exist).

But what I'm reading about his incompleteness theorems, it does seem to be a rather specific maths thing, so would've been a big leap to then be discouraged in general from trying to do proofs without axioms.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know much about this, but I can't help but think that "complete" and "consistent" are doing a lot more work in that sentence than my current understanding of the terms would lead me to believe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am sure there was a typo, it's Gödel's incompleteness theorem which proves that consistent systems are incomplete.

Consistency means likely what you expect: it's that you cannot reach contradiction from very axioms.

The result is insane in my opinion, it means any sensible math system with basic arithmetic has a proposition that you cannot prove. AND you cannot also prove that the system is contradiction-free.

It is completionist's worst nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The result is insane in my opinion, it means any sensible math system with basic arithmetic has a proposition that you cannot prove.

Stated more precisely, it has true propositions that you cannot prove to be true. Obviously it has false propositions that can't be proven, too, but that's not interesting.