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Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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Liberalism is when you believe in voting against fascism to lessen the burdens on engaging in actual leftist action, I guess.
Extremely dire turbolib statement here, RIP
Don't feel too bad, I've run into this shit in real life while trying to get leftists into action. Not even voting, but doing direct things. The idea then was that any action not tearing down the establishment was wasted.
My response? Great to fucking hear that, let's do it. Their response? Leave, you fucking plant.
People are fucking morons.
Some people just want to LARP to make themselves feel good. The boring - or conversely, dangerous - aspects of pushing forward change don't interest them.
[citation needed]
[citation needed]
Citation needed for... someone... recounting their experiences in a real-life situation
... do you know what a citation is
I agree with the last sentence. Its a pile of shit to get anything done in this world that is not fucking it up further.
But here we are. I cook for the people, i write software for them, i help them get their computers set up. Fucking up capitalfashism one thing at a time.
Good luck on your journey.
This community is anarchist-flavored. Reactionary takes won't be tolerated.
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This is an anarchist comm. You don't have to be an anarchist to post, but you should at least understand what anarchism actually is. We're not here to educate you.
But I think I should make the rules more explicit about liberal electoralism brainrot.
EDIT:
Here's a more explicit rule for you. but as always the FAFO is in effect for the next time you think something is not explicit enough.
No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can't control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.
Yep, it's a PugJesus moment. "Vaguely leftist".
So much for "I don't get a thrill out of debates." I wonder how long PJ will complain about db0 like he did with blahaj.
Gets banned for breaking the rules
As is pointed out, no rules were broken, but I guess that's a level of reading comprehension above where you usually operate.
So much for “I don’t get a thrill out of debates.”
Literally already clarified this for you, but I understand that comprehension in general isn't your strong suit.
I figured you might come in here with some well mannered annihilation of op. Pleasure to read it. Thank you for your service.
"Harm reduction is reactionary" and "If you believe in harm reduction, you don't understand what anarchism is".
Classic.
At least now you've added an actual rule, instead of just banning people for hurting your feelings by [checks notes] arguing that inaction against fascism isn't morally acceptable.
Imagine believing that voting for the people who brought us fascism (aka fascists) is "harm reduction".
Peak lib delusions.
Of course, the lives of marginalized groups don't matter to 'anarchist' LARPers. Harm reduction is unacceptable because it doesn't lead to a good society in and of itself. Who cares if a few million minorities more or less suffer and die?
No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can’t control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.
Love this!
morally
smh.
voting against fascism
LOL YDI. Liberalism works in cooperation with fascism. All of your politician heroes are working with fascists right now. They're in the same buildings doing the same things. This whole "voting against fascism" when you're talking about a genocidal prosecutor is gross AF.
PTB
Despite this being one of the things i disagree with Pug on, voting for Kamala Harris was objectively the correct choice last election.
The way we escape the Duopoly is to abandon it, but there were no viable 3rd party choices.
Also none of what I said so far can justify the moderation decisions made. Censoring this kind of speech is a bad look for the anarcho-communist community.
I think the thing a lot of people are missing is that abandoning the duopoly, or any other major political reform, is NOT a "just vote in this one election bro I swear" deal. These things take time. Sometimes a lot of time. And until that time where it happens, you need to spend each election thinking "how is this going to affect progress towards our goal". And allowing trump to win did nothing but push us closer to having a republican monopoly. See all those news articles of local government republicans in power suddenly starting to host town hall meetings that are republican only.
I don't like him or want him in charge, but if Trump wasn't elected in 2024 then he would have been in 2028.
The upside is trump getting elected probably spurs more apathetic people to get involved than continuing to slowly boil the frog.
Same thing happened after 2016, the Republicans got fucked in the midterms.
Its hard to not sound accelerationist, but yes. If the sword of damocles isnt going away, and things will jot improve in the meantime; go for it.
He might be dead due to health problems by then though.
Im not willing to bet that will stop him winning elections.
Delacruz was electable, if we voted for her.
Oh yeah deltarune has been great, just dropped this week!
It's okay. I like your turbolib ways. Keep posting you bodacious bastard.
Apparently being anticapitalist isn't enough anymore. Only opposition to casting a ballot for any reason can absolve one of the taint of Liberalism(tm).
Though that still doesn't explain what rule I was actually banned for supposedly violating.
Ok
Here I think is their rule:
They kicked you for arguing too much.
Honestly, the rest of the comment section ALSO should have been booted off that was the case, but you were the one blocking the ~~echoes~~ Fung Shui.
I found it most enlightening that voting is not the answer, unless you are voting for anarchism.
Just remember, structure and the exercise of power is violence, so listen to the mods and take your three day ban 🙃
I try to leave some leeway for people to argue, but I will admit I was considering locking the whole thread.
Given the guidelines, that may have been more fair.
Apparently being anticapitalist isn't enough anymore.
The German SDP were anticapitalist too. It has never been enough. But anarchists have at least learned that lesson
Yeah, that line of thinking can absolve my taint.
Pretty sure the propaganda is liberals are super evil, vote for the lesser of 2 evils. If you are liberal, you should boycott the vote. That's how America got the way it is. If you like being controlled people, be sure to follow the propaganda.
I didn't read the rules because they are made up anyway. If you give me a minute, I can try playing devil's advocate.
In 2 years, when ICE will be going door to door doing blatant curb stomps, pug Jesus is still going to be whining about tankies not voting for genocide, as he posts bizarre memes about the good old days of the Union beating the confederates. Absolutely bizarre.
In 2 years, when ICE will be going door to door doing blatant curb stomps, pug Jesus is still going to be whining about tankies not voting for genocide,
"Golly gee, I wonder why those evil LIBS would be complaining about the results of letting a fascist win in an election, just because those fascists are doing blatantly fascist things???"
Truly inexplicable. Don't worry, though, in 2 years, there's a very non-zero chance I'll be dead, and you can pat your fellow LARPers on the back for successfully killing so many marginalized groups without interruption.
fellow LARPers on the back for successfully killing so many marginalized groups without interruption.
Ah yes, like the Arab and Muslim Americans in Dearborn who decided they wouldn't vote for a candidate who promised to kill their brothers and sisters in Lebanon with the utmost lethality. These people are the ones who are killing marginalized groups. Sure.
God, the sick and twisted knots libs can twist themselves into trying to explain how fascism takes rise. I give you 1 year before youre calling ICE on your Muslim and Arab "tankie" neighbors.
Ah yes, like the Arab and Muslim Americans in Dearborn who decided they wouldn’t vote for a candidate who promised to kill their brothers and sisters in Lebanon with the utmost lethality. These people are the ones who are killing marginalized groups. Sure.
Yes, actions have consequences, sorry that you think that they don't?
God, the sick and twisted knots libs can twist themselves into trying to explain how fascism takes rise. I give you 1 year before youre calling ICE on your Muslim and Arab “tankie” neighbors.
"We should have stopped the no-brakes-ride to fascism."
"LISTEN TO THIS SHITLIB LOL"
Sorry that you think marginalized groups should be murdered as fast as possible, I guess.
PJ, I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, you are the biggest dork I've ever found on the internet.
PJ, I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, you are the biggest dork I’ve ever found on the internet.
Because I... want fewer marginalized groups to be murdered?
Uh, okay.
PJ will say that its actually people being on lemmy why Trump is in power today, without a hint of irony.
An anarchist not respecting free speech and enforcing rules on a forum is hilarious to me.
As we all know, anarchism is no rules, and the less rules there are, the more anarchist it is.
YDI.
Don't go into subs that you don't agree with, just to argue or try to prove someone wrong, and then get mad when you get kicked out for it.
Read the room, friend.
You only commented once there?
crickets.
Maybe someday Pug will at least try to follow comm rules. Until then, Crickets.
I wonder why Pug hasn't responded with his relevant comments after being asked.
Major PTB and hypocrisy. Accelerationists/anti-electoralists are fucking LARPer anarchists, at best, who buy into the same sort of political religion that tankies do. Refusing to use any tools at ones disposal to to stop fascists is pure performative bullshit. Being not just willing but enthusiastic about sacrificing vulnerable people on the altar of socio-political changes that have never in history come from such acts is amoral and in direct conflict with attempting to improve the human condition and establish any sustainable anarchic society.
And before they pile on and say "oh but liberal democracy is fundamentally unjust", well, the world isn't fucking black and white. Making lives worse, by all historical data, just increases human suffering. Want to take to the streets and do some direct action and use other tools of political change? Do it. If you're going to talk the talk, walking the fucking walk or shut the fuck up with the performative claims of moral superiority because all evidence shows that you have done nothing to assuage human suffering but opened the door for those who want to cause more of it.
Also, banning someone for dissent in a comm apparently dedicated to anarchism? That is not behavior in line with anarchic organization and is pure abuse of power over others to give oneself an artificially louder voice. Best to hang up that mod jacket until you learn to stop being a fucking poser.
ETA: Sorry for the aggressive tone but I'm pretty tired of people being too far up themselves to care about how their political actions effect others and even more tired of faux anarchists abusing their power to silence others' voices.
