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As an American I think it's helpful to put this into some sort of perspective.

Things the US won't forget:

• Tiananmen Square (thousands dead)

Things the US will forget:

• Korean War (3mil civilian dead)

• Vietnam War (2mil civilian dead)

• Iraqi War (1mil civilian dead)

• Violent overthrow of East Timor (widely considered a genocide)

• Violent overthrow of Afghanistan (twice, over 1 mil dead)

• Violent overthrow of Nicaragua

• Violent overthrow of Grenada

• Violent overthrow of Panama

• Violent overthrow of Libya

• Coup d'etat of Guatemala

• Coup d'etat of Iran

• Failed Coup d'etat of Syria

• Failed Coup d'etat of Indonesia

• Many failed Coup d'etat attempts on Cuba

• Coup d'etat of Congo

• Coup d'etat of Laos

• Coup d'etat of the Dominican Republic

• Coup d'etat of Iraq

• Coup d'etat of Brazil

• Successful Coup d'etat of Indonesia (1 mil dead)

• Coup d'etat of Chile

• Multiple Coup d'etat of Bolivia

• Coup d'etat of Haiti

• Multiple Coup d'etat attempts on Venezuela

• Coup d'etat of Palestine

• Mass civilian casualties, destabilization of many governments, people subject to a lifetime of torture without a trial, all under the War on Terror

This list could be so much longer, but I gotta get to work.

"Never forget" is great and all but from a German perspective it seems to not be enough. It is much more important to make sure the same or very similar things do not happen again, not by China and not by any other nation. Otherwise you end up like we did here in Germany where decades of "never forget" lead to very similar sentiments being expressed by a new major party but since things are slightly different (e.g. the "never forget" was always phrased to be about Jews, this is more about foreigners in general) people seem to allow themselves to ignore them.

US currently working on ways to top it.

Never forget says country engaged in rewriting its own history.

Was genuinely thinking of walking in front of Trump’s military parade.

Meanwhile Oklahoma telling kids the 2020 election was rigged under state law.

The capitalism capital of the world probably shouldn’t be preaching about human rights.

This is just my personal experience:

~I was talking to a few young Chinese. They were after born after the massacre happened.~

"Why are Hong Kong people are so full of themselves and rebellious? They think they are better? (Derogatory comments....", cheating among themselves, happily.

I couldn't help and interrupted, "Some young promising Hong Kong students were murdered, beaten and kidnapped under the mainland China. You can't blame them for not being defensive."

Immediately they resorted to their memorised response, "Do you have any resources to back up what you said? The official death count was zero."

Of course there was no "official" news resources. China suppresses the news media.

"It is the same as Tiananmen massacre. You won't find any "official resources " but everyone knows people were killed."

Another one retorted, "The official number is zero. What official resources you have to backup your claim?"

It was useless to talk anymore at that moment. I left. My encounter probably would be on their "report."

Not contesting there was a violent crackdown, but didn’t the video for this moment end with the tank just stopping the entire time, the briefcase guy climbing onto the tank, then getting shuffled away by fellow civilians?

Everyday we see way worse shit happening on the streets of the US. Somehow the crackdown back then on anti-communist academics is an enshrined moment, but people on our streets getting arrested, detained, or killed is just business as usual.

And we also act like our country doesn’t call academics “indoctrinated”, beat the living crap out of both students and academics, and doesn’t want to kill them. Amazing.

Tankies talking about Tiananmen Square without whataboutism:

Challenge Level = IMPOSSIBLE

downvotes are from tankies

Let's not forget Faris Odeh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faris_Odeh

A picture of Odeh standing alone in front of a tank, with a stone in his hand and arm bent back to throw it, was taken by a photojournalist from the Associated Press on 29 October 2000. Ten days later, on 8 November, Odeh was again throwing stones at Karni when he was shot in the neck by an Israeli soldier.

You could pick so many more things to criticize China for especially from its past, verifiable events, yet the west always picks Tiananmen Square, making sure to pick the image of the guy standing in front of the tank, but somehow always forgets to show the video of the guy climbing on top of the tank, asking soldiers to turn around to where the protesters are, and somehow forget mentioning that literally half the casualties were soldiers that were set ablaze. Even diplomatic cables at the time either leaked or declassified prove that.

Love the propaganda around this. Its very dramatic and all. But here in the west its held up as some big thing. The rest of the video never gets played.