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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Because according to the Christian faith, the death on the cross is the moment of victory. The divide-by-zero that absolves sin.

So, I’m no theologian, but I did grow up studying this stuff quite a bit. Here’s a probably-flawed explanation of my understanding of the teaching.

God created the world, and the creation fell short of his image for it. That’s what “sin” is, a falling-short-of-perfection. God’s perfect nature requires perfection for communion with his creation, so in an attempt to bring humanity back into communion with him, Jesus (who is both God and human) comes to live among the creation, lives a perfect life, and is killed. The teaching is that death is a result of imperfection, so the death of someone with human nature who was perfect wipes out the “cost” of sin.

So humans are again able to be connected with their Creator, despite the fact that none of them are perfect.

Christians are encouraged to follow the laws of scripture not because failure to do so will damn them, but because said laws can be good for them. The Bible outright says humans cannot get to heaven through their actions. So when Christians get all high and mighty about sin, they’re missing the point entirely. (Or, perhaps, they’re following what they’ve been taught by people who use religion to control people.)

It frustrates me to see Christians championing anti-LGBT causes and whatnot. Like, I don’t care if you think it’s sinful, the entire point of the religion is that everyone is sinful. The Bible is clear on this. Jesus came for sinners. After all, if people were perfect they wouldn’t need a savior in this system.

Someone can probably do a better, more theologically consistent job explaining this, but that’s my understanding.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The thing that really pisses me off is seeing Christians who hate Jews with the reasoning that the Jews were the ones who shouted for Jesus to be crucified when Pilot didn't know what to do about it.

If they didn't, your story would be broken as fuck and your sins would never be absolved. You wanted Jesus to be killed or the whole point of his existence is meaningless!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

All cool but the dude's name was Pontius Pilate (Poncio Pilato)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Because according to the Christian faith, the death on the cross is the moment of victory. The divide-by-zero that absolves sin.

clever romans cut that gordian knot: "he's the son of god? and god? ok yeah sure buddy, Romulus, grab the nails."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Jesus was born in September and christmas trees are giant dicks. Yes you read that right. They're penises. Festively festooned penises. Blame the catholics. They steamrolled every pagan tradition they could find into the catholic canon in order to convert the peasants to their particular cult.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Okay so what makes pine trees dicks? I knew about Jesus being in the wrong month and about taking over the pegan winter festival, but nothing about dicks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As a bored kid in church, this is a question I pondered many times. Why would we choose to honor the method of torture that caused his death?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (8 children)

it's to honor the sacrifice he made to abscond humanity of their sins.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If God is all powerful, couldn't he just do that without all the bloody, painful, torture part???

That's what I wondered about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

The Cristian god prolly just enjoys a good drama

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I always think of Jesus in the electric chair and followers wearing little "electric chairs" on a necklace

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The cross is important because Christ's death was a Sacrifice.....in a similar way to offering a live animal on an altar, or offering incense to a god. Its this sacrifice (his crucifixion) that saves us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As an atheist I appreciate that Jesus was willing to die for what he believed in. He saw injustice in the world and took action even at the cost of himself. That's what I see in the cross.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

But that's not why he died. He didn't take a bullet for his friend, he freely offered himself as a sacrifice for our sin. This is what saves us from unending death. That's why the cross is important. His death was more similar to an Animal that is sacrificed by the local shaman then a soldier who gets killed fighting against terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Shouldn't you rephrase that? If what you say is correct, isn't Jesus an animal who willingly offered itself up as sacrifice to the local shaman, rather than simply bring sacrificed?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He offered himself To the Jewish Priests and Religious leaders who condemned him. Why do you think he's called the Lamb of God? Lambs got sacrificed in his day!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Did he really, or did he get betrayed and then captured?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He KNEW he was going to be betrayed. That's in Scripture. Yet he allowed himself to be handed over to fulfill what was written and to be a Sacrifice for our sins.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Exactly. And the sacrifice refers not to Jesus's suffering and persecution, but what humanity gave up in that sacrifice - God's active, personal presence on Earth.

If you're not religious, it all means nothing,of course.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I like crucifixes, i study their design and craftsmanship while the Karen wearing it is berating me at work and threatening to call my manager.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Y'ever think about how if Jesus died by a guillotine there'd be guillotines everywhere

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

You think if he was shot the gun manufacturer would use that in their advertising?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Many Christian, but non Catholic denominations definitely do not use, or phased out the usage, of crosses ( also fish symbols/religious stamps/rosaries and so on) as they understand this fact

Also they understand that Matthew 16:24 is referring to a Stavros/stauros, literally a wooden torture stake/pole, in allegory to taking a heavy responsibility, in general, as previous context shows that spreading the lord's message, with the difficulties it may bring, to extract a heavy toll on the average person's life, up to the point of having to sacrifice said life

They also understand that even thought the old law have been abolished, the spirit of it keeps on on many of their aspects, so no worshipping idols of any kind (imaginary or physical) is seen as the practical approach

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sam Kinison had a routine where he was pretending to be Jesus explaining why he hadn't returned yet: "yeah, I'll be back as soon as I can PLAY THE PIANO AGAIN! OH OHHHHHHHH!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The government just declassified documents that describe the first time humans made contact with an alien race. We found out that not only do the aliens know about Jesus, he revisits them every year for a big celebration. "Every year?” the humans asked, "We've been waiting for him to come back for over 2000 years! How did you get him to return?"

"I don't know, we're just friends. The first time he visited, we gave him a big bag of our finest chocolates. What did you guys do?"

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