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California Dreaming (of becoming POTUS) (lemmynsfw.com)
submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah remember how Rudy Giuliani got lionized by 9/11 and was able to act like an idiot creep and not actually help constituents for years? The Islamophobia of the NYPD during that time is indicative of how badly this cancer in our thinking has mestastized (and the fact that it is still here all these years later should chill you to the bone).

Can we NOT do this to Gavin Newsom he is hypocritical trash and he doesn't give a shit about the kind of core values you and I value as progressives?

Trump needs a villain who is even less ideologically consistent than himself, who liberals/centrists will flock to leaving progressives isolated because they see right through Gavin Newsom and know his politics are at best an accidental dead end.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Progressives alone cannot win an election. The nature of democracy is that you need to get most people behind you, that includes the ones you don’t like all that much.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So we get an election between Adolf Hitler and Sheriff James Davis?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes that’s how democracy works.

Read the federalist papers, the founding fathers knew this would happen which is why the didn’t want everyone to vote. This utopia in which there is universal suffrage and people actually vote conscientiously will never exist, because most people are not interested in devoting a lot of time to thinking about anything, much less about their vote. Fucking Plato knew this already like what, 3000 years ago?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's funny that you state "Yes that's how democracy works" only to go on to explain that democracy not only doesn't work, but can't.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Harris has to win first before it can be a lie.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

We can still change the Democratic party, but that involves - well, getting involved with the Democratic party.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It works, it’s just not perfect because no system is. Monarchy or benevolent dictatorships are arguably the most perfect system on paper, at the very least they have the capacity to be the most efficient and bring about it the best results, but it all hinges on one man not becoming alienated from his subjects, which is almost impossible.

But yes that’s how democracy works, the majority are allowed to make bad decisions if they all agree that this is the way they want to go. Democracy doesn’t necessarily mean “everyone gets to vote “, for most of history it has been “this handful of people are allowed to vote”. Back then it was usually white rich men, today I would argue we need to return to a limited democracy but based on merit. Ie “you must be this smart to vote”. Of course the argument is that this can be manipulated to create systemic issues that purposely exclude certain groups based on things other than merit or intelligence so we return to square 1.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup, Newsom is a piece of shit for a bunch of reasons. He's also governor of a state that's had its own National Guard troops illegally mobilized against its own citizens, and he's saying the right things, loudly and clearly.

However.

Since those National Guard troops have been mobilized illegally (the mobilization order from the federal government goes through the governor, even if the governor didn't request it), Newsom has the duty as the commander of the California National Guard to order the Guard to ignore this illegal mobilization. I have a hard time thinking that Newsom and the state legal team don't know this. Of course, the fallout from that needs to be considered very solemnly, but to my mind, weighing that fallout against the effects of what is already happening is a simple measure.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If Gavin Newsom is the source for the claim that Gavin Newsom didn't know the Guard was going to be mobilized and did not want to allow it to happen, the most charitable interpretation I'll commit to is that we don't know the truth. The dude has two faces.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is an astute observation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

I support Newsom right now insofar as putting up any sort of pushback against this fascist shitwittery is good and necessary, especially from elected officials.

If the Dem primary for 2028 means anything, I sure as shit will not be supporting Newsom, because I have a memory more substantial than a walnut.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

State violence perpetrated by California or our cities is good but it’s a shocking violation of human rights when the feds do it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Should have been pre-wrinkled Palpatine on the top.