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Remember, some different-than-them folks looking for fundamental rights and common decency was all it took to get 70 million people angry enough to vote in a dictator (lemmynsfw.com)

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The lesson to learn is if we run uncharismatic candidates who are substantially further to the right than the Dems voter base, and the most thought the candidate gives the voting base is:

They have to vote for me. Who else are the left gonna vote for?

Its fucking "no one", and it's been that same answer for a long time.

We have a fair DNC now that won't try to shove a conservative down America's throats. So we have a chance to win.

But if we run a conservative as a Dem, Republicans win.

It's really fucking tiring to see those conservatives blame trans people for the lose. That had nothing to do with it. It might be the final straw for some people, but there was a shit ton of reasons people couldn't hold their nose this time.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have a fair DNC now that won’t try to shove a conservative down America’s throats.

Do you have a link to a story about this? I don't doubt you, I just want to read more about it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure what you mean...

The chair has absolute power and is accountable to no one.

Before the current DNC chair was elected (just a few months ago) they had been head of the Minnesota state party for about a decade.

That's a very long political track record to look at, and that's why the DNC voting members elected him

Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

I just wondered if you had a link to a story or analysis summarizing that, since I wasn't aware of any of it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I'll look it up.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?

I would love this summary if there is one.

The only thing I had heard about the DNC leadership was them electing a progressive to vice chair on "accident" and then kicked him out after they realized he would be supporting progressive canidates

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Right, because Trump was a better option. Im so glad we imported the fascism directly this time instead of watching it take shape in other countries. Congratulations, we'll all be trying to avoid the death camps at some point in the next 5 years.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah, but withholding my vote means my soul is pure and I don't own these consequences!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Saw a video of Dr Umar admitting to not voting and using it to virtue signal. Like bitch there is an active genocide going on and the community you claim to want to protect and uplift is about to be ratfucked into participating in it.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time

Trump: Kill healthcare and social programs and deport Brown people. Instant fix.

Dumbfucks: I do hate people who aren't like me. And harming others makes me feel better about myself. I'm in.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time

Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard "stay the course" I'd fucking riot. Please don't present Biden's position of "what do you mean? The economy is awesome" as the reasonably side here.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

I didn't think I was. But a real dumbfuck chooses option B

But factually things were improving in spite of corporate greed. But as much as they could have. Now they're not.

But this wasn't an essay

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When the alternative is to burn everything down, staying the course absolutely is the reasonable option.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Setting aside that even then denying that there's a problem at all is still fucking stupid, if you feel you have no future at all under the current system there is logic to burning everything down and hoping something less terrible comes out of the ashes.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Two things:

Inflation happened all over the world after covid due to supply issues, when production had to resume when restrictions were lifted. US had one of the lowest inflation in Western world
During first taco term there was a massive wealth transfer due to the tax bill. The corporate tax cuts were permanent, while cuts for us were expiring year over year, last one expires this year.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn't going to do that is secondary.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Okay, so I believed the authoritarian liar -- but I was soooooooo mad! I literally had no choice!"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

It's called nuance and it's a lot more productive than blind righteous anger.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I honestly do not think that it did.

That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don't buy it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American's on average are that gullible.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We all know the economy is bad. But they choose to believe it is caused by trans people and immigrants. So OOP still correct.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Republicans have terrible economic policies. Voting for Republicans for economic reasons is stupid. Even if you're rich, if you care about the long term.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which doesn't make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (26 children)

This is a dumb narrative that leads to petty bickering while we are currently living under literal fascism. The reason they elected a fascist is because they desire change from the status quo. Pronouns are not a positive change for most people. So of course they will pick a fascist over that platform, if that's all it has to offer. The left has to get real, and I mean realpolitik. We have real solutions to offer these people. That's what the message should focus on. Inclusion is a given with leftism. DEI is corporate virtue signaling.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign

Edit: if you disagree PLEASE just downvote and don't reply, I'm TREMBLING in fear of your possible replies

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Per your edit, and so you're not completely in the dark - I'm here to say I downvoted your comment because of the edit complaining about downvotes. Hope that helps.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think there are many people in US that love current Iran regime, bit there is a difference between not liking it and starting a war.

Also I am so fucking tired of that argument "yeah, what he does is not good but Harris would be worse"

We don't know, since taco is in charge, but we know that Netanyahu was livid when she commented how Israel is handling Palestine. Netanyahu also met with trump in July last year, now we know he likely wanted to have guarantees that trump will back Israel is it comes down to this.

And lastly, trump already tried to start war with Iran in 2019, but failed. He later also said he did it because Netanyahu told him to, which shows how weak he is.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Better to DIE than DEI, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is such a counterproductive take. It ignores why Harris actually lost (like Biden running again and refusing to step down until the end), while also implying that the Democrats didn't do anything wrong whatsoever and the fault lies with the electorate. If that's the takeaway for the DNC from this past election then we're cooked.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It also implies that Harris wouldn't attack Iran when she totally would have. A more correct approach would have been that ww3 for the Democrats is more preferable than worker rights and social institutions Bernie wanted.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can't prove a negative, but it's not like US policy towards Iran (or Israel) changes much from admin to admin. Here's Kamala right before the election saber rattling: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/08/harris-iran-greatest-adversary-trump-election.html

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[–] Spazz 7 points 1 week ago

Fucking worthless Trumpers

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