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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/46890078

cross-posted from: https://rss.ponder.cat/post/216477

ICE said the Canadian was found unresponsive Monday at the Federal Detention Center in Miami and was attended to by medical staff, but was pronounced dead the same day.


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[–] [email protected] 246 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

If Iran was holding a US citizen against their will and let them die in custody, we would drop a nuke on them.

I hope Canada takes the opportunity to punish us hard for this shit.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Iran has not confirmed that they have him in detention and this was a spy. They literally caught a US spy. Do you know what we do to people we catch spying in the US?

This is quite literally not the same thing. The US has accidentally killed a Canadian tourist. If a part of Iran's government killed a US citizen we'd use that to launch War today.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s not the same thing, but he was a permanent resident for over thirty years

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

~~That's an interesting part of the story but in this case this Canadian tourist hadn't live in the country at all. I feel like the speed at which he entered the US and then died indicates a problem with us custody and handling.

Like I feel like it's more egregious if you lived in the country for 30 years and then you know were prosecuted as a spy but to just die from being detained is total bullshit~~

Misread something not valid.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What case are you talking about? The article in this post is about a Canadian permanent resident of the US.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Do you know what we do to people we catch spying in the US?

Yes, we put them in prison.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

If it’s a spy for Russia, we put him in the White House

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Someone's never heard of Gitmo Bay 🤣

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Damn that's a wild looking prison

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I get it dude, but the US citizen in Iran was a CIA agent fucking with the country.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dunno about a nuke. Maybe a stern glance in the direction of Iran. I know it's not quite the same since Saudi Arabia is our frienemy after 9/11, but this US administration's support is probably more based on skin color than anything.

Jamal Khashoggi

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

It sorta depends on what kind of US citizen they are. As one example, US-Israeli citizens are precious innocents who must be protected at all costs, but US-Palestinian citizens are fine as collateral.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

No way, we haven’t given much of a fuck about this sort of thing for decades now

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well, yeah but he probably just got here...

Checks notes

ICE noted Noviello had been a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. since 1991, after entering the country through legal visa status in 1988. However, it also said he was facing removal for being convicted of drug charges “as a non-immigrant overstay.”

37 years ago

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, at that point, he was more American than Canadian. The US government should have to explain either why he wasn't granted citizenship or else why he wasn't deported. Keeping people in citizenship limbo is just diet slavery, a disposable workforce. I get that's probably the whole point and has been for a while, but I also think it's good to call it out until enough people care to make a change.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

37 Canadian Years or US Years?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Ironically enough he was arrested in Florida which is far enough away there's likely a real difference over that long of time.

Like "real" as in there is a difference. Not that it is in anyway significant.

I googled and apparently in the ~14 billion years we think the universe has existed, the north pole has experienced about four more days of time than the equator.

So like 37 American years or 37.000000000000000000000001 Canadian years.

I'm assuming American.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Again, the same passive voice. The word they should use is Killed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's archetypal passive voice since it doesn't change the target of the verb and uses state-of-being plus past participle.

"ICE kills Canadian citizen" switches this around.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Masked Gang Kidnap and kill Canadian citizen under Trump orders

would be a proper title

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“At no time during detention is a detained illegal alien denied emergent care.”

I guess that doesn't go for legal residents, like this guy was.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For them, immigrants aren't humans and do not deserve humane treatment. Who tf calls a human being an "alien"??

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The first definition of alien is "foreign", not "extraterrestrial".

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

It's dehumanizing language, nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Canada now gets to pick one of ours. Fair is fair.

Any one. Anyone at all. Just pick >_>

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago

Are politicians on the menu?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's a difficult choice. So many good candidates. But we're still nicer than that, for now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Only one?

/joke

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

wonder how next snowbird migration is going to play out

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's already not good this year. My dad owns a condo in Florida and said a lot of the Canadians sold their condos in his complex. They just didn't want to deal with the extra immigration paperwork this administration added.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

But especially the paperwork in the gulags.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This comment pisses me off so much.

Are you serious? Paperwork? That's what your dad thinks Canadians are concerned about?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They have a second condo in Florida they're well off and mostly-white

They have that "won't happen to me" attitude.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Hmm, they sound nice.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Probably since I'm assuming most of them are white.

Old white people basically never think they're going to be the target for government discrimination.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, because that's what they have said they are concerned about. Why doubt what they say?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

My parents used to go down to Arizona. They sold their trailer back in 2018 (so just before Covid which was very lucky). They've done the odd trip down to the US (they sold because they wanted to go to different places) but plan to go out to Vancouver Island and other places more often now.

Family friends with a house in Palm Desert sold their place after Trump joked about Canada being the 51st state and plan to never go back down again. At least for as long as he is president.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Cool, we’re starting to murder our neighbors. How great for us. Super swell.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I would say don't visit the USA, but he was a citizen. Crazy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Not a citizen, but he should have been. If a legal resident has been in the US for ten years, the government should either have to grant them citizenship or explain why they don't qualify and deport them. This guy was selling drugs, yeah, but he was also probably paying taxes. That's the whole point of the system as it is, exploiting immigrants for illegal labor and then blaming them when they get caught. This guy should have gotten a trial, probably some prison time, and enough rehabilitation to reenter free society.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Follow the money. I guarantee a private company was involved and they probably do some kind of business in Canada. Make sure they're completely booted from the Canadian market.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is why, as a Canadian, I will not be going to the US any time soon.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Ice kills foreign citizen

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Fascist regime kills foreign national. Fixed.

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