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BBC smears Bob Vylan and calls them antisemitic for saying "Death to the IDF". (lemmynsfw.com)

submitted 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Impartial broadcaster btw.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago

Link to statement (Archive)

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BBC statement on Glastonbury 2025

"Millions of people tuned in to enjoy Glastonbury this weekend across the BBC's output but one performance within our livestreams included comments that were deeply offensive. The BBC respects freedom of expression but stands firmly against incitement to violence. The antisemitic sentiments expressed by Bob Vylan were utterly unacceptable and have no place on our airwaves. We welcome Glastonbury’s condemnation of the performance.

"The performance was part of a live stream of the West Holts stage on BBC iPlayer. The judgment on Saturday to issue a warning on screen while streaming online was in line with our editorial guidelines. In addition, we took the decision not to make the performance available on demand. The team were dealing with a live situation but with hindsight we should have pulled the stream during the performance. We regret this did not happen.

"In light of this weekend, we will look at our guidance around live events so we can be sure teams are clear on when it is acceptable to keep output on air."

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It must be such a relief to find something to report on other than the IDF ordering soldiers to fire on crowds of starving people lining up for food.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago

Ethnostates, man. They will always end up like this. Any criticism is "hate", which is completely dishonest.

[–] RedditRefugee69 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Call to violence? Yes.

Antisemitic? No.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

Call to violence? Yes.

Calling for the dissolution of an organization is not violence, Bob Vylan was just taking his artistic liberty with the wording of the message.

Please, we don't need to do the work of a libelous disinformation network for them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand how "death" and "kill" have started being so context dependent.

When we see people protesting in parts of the world chanting "death to the west" on tv, does the average person watching it understand it's a figure of speech which is implicitly calling for social justice or whatever?

Social media posts too like "kill fascists/nazis", I am terminally online enough to read it as a figure of speech but it's pretty clunky.

FWIW Israel are committing war crimes in Gaza and protesting at Glastonbury where there are lots of eyeballs watching makes sense. I just find the rhetoric a bit clumsy if you are chanting words that sound catchy but don't mean to use them in their normative sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think we actually need to litigate that since it isn't relevant one way or the other. The accusation is that the statement was anti-semitic, it wasn't anti-semitic. Whether or not it was a call to violence is actually irrelevant to that part of the discussion.

I have no idea if it was or wasn't because I didn't witness it and now I can't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Whether or not it was a call to violence is actually irrelevant to that part of the discussion. I have no idea if it was or wasn't because I didn't witness it and now I can't.

There's video of it you could watch. The dude chanted "Death! Death! Death to the IDF!"

This isn't anti-semetic, but it could be interpreted as a call to violent action if you take "death" as literal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Right but my point is that doesn't matter the accusation that has been laid which is, that it's anti-semitic (whatever the hell that means in 2025) and we agree it isn't anti-semitic. It might be violent l, I don't know, apparently no one cares about that.

Just as long as we're not insulting Jews Which is apparently a very bad thing to do for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I have no idea if it was or wasn’t because I didn’t witness it and now I can’t.

Are you typing this comment on your TV that only receives BBC? You know the video is one "bob vylan glastonbury 2025" youtube search away right?

As for Bob Vylan the British courts are going to throw the book at him like they did with Kneecap so it's important to reiterate that his speech was not targeted at an individual or a protected minority group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

All I said was I couldn't view the content and I can't.

I didn't watch the original broadcast so I have no frame of reference for any of this. I'm sure there are other copies but the problem is I don't know what I'm supposed to Google because who the hell is this guy?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That is some serious linguistic contortion. You're going to pull a muscle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

No actually, I am very comfortable, thanks!

[–] RedditRefugee69 1 points 7 hours ago

Hey, I hope you serve on juries because you're wrong in the morally correct direction.

I hope the IDF is radically changed or dissolved.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Which bit specifically was supposed to be antisemitic?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If you think about Israel in a bad light that's anti-semitic now. They can do whatever they want but you're not allowed to judge them for it. It's all Labours fault, and their utter refusal to allow any kind of nuance into the discussion.