Meanwhile, the people who want ice cream:
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Well yeah but the one of the people who voted for ice cream downvoted a post about gaza one time so CLEARLY the entire bus sacrificing themselves just in case it might save gaza is the better option. Also there's an atomic bomb factory in a heavily populated area at the bottom of the cliff so basically the same amount of people as the entire population of gaza are going to die if this happens but protecting Gaza is more important than protecting loved ones apparently.
Posts like this are literally driving a wedge into the people who don't want the bus to fall off the cliff, and dividing them.
This has to be a psyop launched by cliff voters, right? They are probably laughing looking at y'all tearing into each other....
The people who want to get ice cream are also helping a psychopath murder innocent civilians so it's a bit of a toss up
It really isn't
Oh, good thing the people who want to go over the cliff aren't helping a psychopath murder innocent civilians.
... they actually want to increase the assistance to that psychopath so they can murder more innocent civilians?
Huh.
Which side do you think is more realistic to change later on? The people who want ice cream, at the very least, want to live.
Yeah.... But also, Carlin was right saying this shit is all a stage. We've got groups of bullies picking on us, and I'd rather throw bricks than help them decide who to pick on next.
You can throw bricks 363 days out of the year and reduce harm 2 days out of the year. If you live in a state with easy mail-in ballots allowed, you can throw bricks 364.8 days out of the year and reduce harm .2 days out of the year.
If "harm" and "less harm" are the only two options, then the only question is how quickly you die. There's the argument that we have to do "harm reduction" in order to buy time to organize for something better, but we've been procrastinating for decades apparently. Since all of history informs us that humans act only when inaction is no longer tenable (and sometimes not even then), really the only material difference between "harm reduction" and accelerationism is, again, the timeline.
If “harm” and “less harm” are the only two options, then the only question is how quickly you die.
That's not even remotely the same vein of thinking, even though both Ernst and I used the word "die."
It's not? The argument in both is that increasing harm doesn't matter because everyone dies in the end, and the timeframe wherein people die thus shouldn't matter to decision-making. Would you like to explain how that's not the same vein of thinking?
The harm or less harm are thanks to Ordinal voting.
First Past the Post is the absolute worst offender, but every single Ordinal voting system will eventually devolve into a forced choice between this or that.
Thankfully there are Cardinal voting systems. Those always boil down to the word and. For example, I can say that I support getting ice cream, and sandwiches, and a slushy, and even just finishing the route, but not going over that cliff.
My support for any given item is counted independently of my support for any other option.
To see what option wins, you just look at total support.
Different Cardinal systems have their own little quirks, but the key in all of them is that ability to give multiple items identical levels of support.
How are we at a point in time where adults need this explained to them..
I keep being told I'm a fascist for voting for the harm reduction by people on lemmy though.
Everyone's upset about the vegan ice cream voters not voting for regular ice cream.
No one is upset at the regular ice cream people for being unwilling to vote for a vegan ice cream place because their choice is default in their mind.
Both sides are holding each other hostage. One has a moral reason and the other just doesn't want to compromise.
And yet.
Thats not a viable choice though.
The viable choices were ice cream or cliff. Choosing vegan ice cream is functionally equivalent to not voting.
Genocide isn't a viable choice.
And yet, we’re careening towards our death now. You’ve proven the point, well done.
It's time for the lesser evil to choose no evil for once.
sharp as a carrot this one
I’m kinda upset about the cliff-driver voters too tbf
T r u e
Indeed, "word up." Although, the voting machines received upgrades and who knows what really occurred.
Is voting for controlled opposition harm reduction?
Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom
Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom
Luckily, as voting in Republicans has historically shown us, voting in the Republican will lead us to radicalize and become socialists. /s
If the core issue is that we're not putting in the work after engaging in harm reduction, harm acceleration is not likely to fix that problem.
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