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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

In contrast to the usa, russia always sucked at marketing.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago (5 children)

What kind of Russian propaganda is this? None of the allies could win alone

Sees poster is from lemmy.ml

Well, that explains it

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Russian propaganda?

The chest-beating confidence of people chiming in on Internet is appalling to me. Stop presuming you know more than other people and READ MORE BOOKS.

The strain of American Exceptionalism in the typical American historical outlook is depressing to me.

There were single battles on the Eastern Front which resulted in more casualties than the United States suffered throughout the entire war across all fronts. Look it up: Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kharkov...

The United States first seriously engaged with German forces in Tunisia in 1943. By that point, the USSR had been fighting with Germany on a massive scale for a year and a half. That was after the Battle of Stalingrad, arguably the most significant turning point in the entire war.

The Germans deployed roughly 50 divisions on the Western Front. Roughly 150 divisions were on the Eastern Front.

The United States contributed materiel and strategic bombing, but did not do the lion's share of the fighting, killing, or dying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

All this statistics on manpower yet you're completely ignoring all of the shipments of food and materials the US sent to the USSR under lend-lease. The USSR would have starved and run even more extreme shortages on tanks and aircraft without US contributions.

Stop presuming you know more than other people and READ MORE BOOKS.

I have read books om the Eastern front, from the Russian perspective. They tend to dismiss anything not Russian as a contribution to the war. That goes anywhere from claiming US materials did little tp saying that Ukrainians and Belarusians were incompetent, even though their soldiers, territory, qnd civilians bore the brunt of the fighting.

Let's also not forget that the reason the USSR was able to move their Siberian divisions to defend Moscow from Germany is because they found out that Japan wasn't planning on attacking the USSR - they were planning to attack Pearl Harbor instead. If Japan had decided to attack the USSR instead, they wouldn't have fresh winter-hardened troops to break the seige of Moscow, and would likely have to reroute divisions to reinforce a front line against the Japanese. And let's not forget that the US was the backbone (though not the only member of the allies) in the fight against the Japanese Navy.

Let's also not forget that a significant factor in the Germans advancing so quickly in Operation Barbarossa is because a lot of people in Ukraine hated the Russians because of the Holodomor. And the USSR didn't win any favors with Poles when they stabbed Poland in the back by partitioning it with Germany.

Reread my earlier comment. I never said the US won the war on it's own. I said the Allies won together, and that none of the members of the alliance could have won without the others.

But maybe that doesn't convince you. If not, I don't care.

Stop presuming you know more than other people and READ MORE BOOKS.

I recommend you take your own advice. Pick up a book other than "Russia at War 1941-1945". Preferrably something that isn't full of anti-Ukrainian and anti-Belarusian propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

What kind of Russian propaganda is this? None of the allies could win alone

This is 100% correct. Also, anybody who actually knows the history in detail knows that America concentrated most of their fighting forces in the Pacific theatre and served more as support in the European theatre.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Poor little Yankee scared of a Vox article

Yesterday what Zelensky said was Russian propaganda too

Must be tough

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The USSR definitely put in huge work, but at the end of the day, "Stalingrad" was besieged and close to being finished off, German forces were right outside Moscow, and all of Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics were occupied (aka the most heavily industrialised areas)

The reality is that without the USA committing significant industrial resources to its allies (particularly the lend lease) and keeping the Western front open, the USSR was a matter of months away from being finished off.

The war was not won by only the efforts of the USA or the USSR.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The allies were the ones who left the USSR alone against the fascists in the first place lmao, look at anything Churchill and Chamberlain wrote about the USSR and stop confabulating about how Yankoids saved Private Ryan

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Usa didn't do shit except nuke civilians. Oh wait thats what they always do

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (18 children)

Countries don't fight wars, people do. It was won by the brave young men and women who died fighting it and funding it, your average citizen. It was won by the people's efforts then at that time. Respect the dead, respect ghosts, or your ancestors may force you to become one. Stop spreading nationalistic bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Must be tougher for you to deal with reality. Genuinely pathetic show of thought, but I wasn't expecting magic from a .ml goon.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There's a ton of Russian propaganda on Lemmy today.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This post is a basic history lesson, but if you want, we can get into the history of US support for fascism in Ukraine and how that connects with its role in WWII 😊

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Listen, I wouldnt jerk myself to ANY authoritarian government pieces of shit like you're doing here, which has yes included Russia and their oligarchs. I read Navalny's last book, did you?* How about that for a fucking history lesson. Do you know what the Holodomor was? Do you know why we have so much Russia diaspora? Do you know what Russian women say about wars in Russia? The wealthy of Russia have done FUCK ALL to protect anyone, LEAST OF ALL THEIR AVERAGE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DEFENDED US IN WW2, except put their citizens into a fucking meat grinder in wars, put them into prisons to torture and rape them and kill them to sell as videos online so they can blackmail the people who buy them, and literally stolen their money.

The Russian people are not their government. The Israeli peolle are not their government. The Chinese people are not their government. You misattribute to authoritarians characteristics of the average citizen - you're stealing their accomplishments for the wealthy. Stick your history lesson up your ass

-*Note how I never said Navalny was a good person in every position - but he is a great example of Russia's authoritarian government seizing Putin's political rival and torturing him for over a year. His last book is wild to read because it is from his PoV while he is in prison being tortured. I respect his capacity to spite fascist governments in control of his country (it's notable that he wasn't in control).

Meanwhile, Putin has directly funded Nazis and Nazi propaganda worldwide so he can start wars in those countries to "stop the Nazis" to put his men in another meat grinder

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Hahahahahaha Navalny's book you love Hitlerslop https://archive.org/details/VideoAlexeiNavalnyComparesMuslimsToCockroaches

Google holodomor huh? Lmao. Homework for you. https://annas-archive.se/md5/9f9f3ebb076a7ed2d91f51d0e5440f20 https://annas-archive.se/md5/dbf40cb981d075d2ecfd00af5dad05d4 If you flat out refuse to engage criticisms of the historical works you were presented with then don't pretend to understand the subject enough to be analytical.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You have to engage with my actual points first, so far you haven't done so. Providing material isn't an argument or refutation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh you're playing interrogator are you? Did you even bother to click on the video of Navalny talking about massacring immigrants?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, it's still your turn to fully address my points. I'll respond when you give me a good faith argument that addresses my points, as I did for you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (13 children)

You've appointed yourself the Wikipedia interrogator of the network have you? It's identical to interacting with a Zionist. There are no "turns" here, you aren't playing a game, you're clinging to lies and plugging your ears because you're a fool.

Thank you for doubling down on ignoring Navalny's fascism. Makes the message perfectly clear

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Mostly from tankies on .ml (used to be hexbear too until they were defederated). Any self-respecting instance needs to defederate from this trash uninformed low effort propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Imagine being so bad at arguing with people that you start commenting 500 times a month complaining about a website instead of backing up your own claims. 😁

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yep, overall the Soviets paid by far the largest price, and were responsible for ~85% of Nazi deaths. This should be unsurprising for anyone, though, considering communism and fascism are polar opposites, the former throughly devoted to thr working class and the collectivization of property, the latter thoroughly devoted to violently retaining bourgeois property and killing all who are percived to risk that. Blackshirts and Reds is a good read.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I mean, it's a little surprising considering that they started the war on the same side. And I think it was Nazi Germany's imperial ambitions that made them betray Russia and not their differing economic views.

But then, you did read a book, which is more than I did 😅.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

They were never on the same side. There were numerous treaties with Britain, France, etc that the Soviets proposed in order to take on the Nazis together, but they were denied, as western Europe and the US were doing a ton of business with Nazi Germany and were more opposed to the soviets. In fact, Western Europe already signed numerous non-aggression pacts with Nazi Germany, similar to the soviet-Nazi pact, but far earlier. The soviet pact was made on the eve of war to buy time, the soviets and Nazis never trusted each other.

This is only more clear if you look into how each country portrayed the other in the 30s. Communism and fascism are, again, polar opposites in property relations, they hated each other. The Nazis even saw Slavic peoples as being genetically inferior. Marxists were always opposed to fascism, and that didn't change when the Nazis came to power. They were never on the "same side," the soviets only went into Poland weeks after the Nazis did.

When it came time for World War II, all of that tension came to a head. The Nazis despised the communists above all else, and unlike Britain and France, tried to commit genocide against them. The communists despised the Nazis, and liberated Berlin years later.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

They betrayed france, crackkker

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It wassn't any single country. It was the Allies.

What shit-tier propaganda is this?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago

Yeah I always thought, you know... We beat him. As in together.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This post is a few hours old... and the amount of "nuh-uh" posts from Americans is literally proving the articles point

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

US didn't beat the hitler but US is the undisputed winner of the war.

We currently actively pissing away all of them winnings though...

Russian clown regime speed running loss of great power status

China is set up to win by doing nothing

US oligarchy is unable to maintain the empire. Too much grift.

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